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does it fit into anybodys mind that this will flop? cus if its really that bad, it just might



                                                                           

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Lol. But the irony is that it'll probably outsell any game this season.



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I had always assumed that this game was aimed at children which is fine by me. A lot of children play video games so for a critic to dismiss a game with "there's nothing here for an adult/serious gamer" is a perfectly reasonable and even useful comment for a reviewer to make but I don't see why it should affect the score adversely. There is very little for a (normal) adult in a doll baby but they have been very popular for a few centuries - speaking of legs!

However, as I said, assuming that it was a children's game I had no interest in getting it but the IGN review actually made it sound rather fun to me and I may just treat myself for Xmas.

And just for the record, making a game failure proof at its lowest level is an excellent idea since it allows even the very young to have fun instead of being merely frustrated.

He may have started out to write a damning review but for me, he just wrote a pretty damn good ad.



Grampy said:
I had always assumed that this game was aimed at children which is fine by me. A lot of children play video games so for a critic to dismiss a game with "there's nothing here for an adult/serious gamer" is a perfectly reasonable and even useful comment for a reviewer to make but I don't see why it should affect the score adversely. There is very little for a (normal) adult in a doll baby but they have been very popular for a few centuries - speaking of legs!

However, as I said, assuming that it was a children's game I had no interest in getting it but the IGN review actually made it sound rather fun to me and I may just treat myself for Xmas.

And just for the record, making a game failure proof at its lowest level is an excellent idea since it allows even the very young to have fun instead of being merely frustrated.

He may have started out to write a damning review but for me, he just wrote a pretty damn good ad.

I agree with most of your post.  It's a childs game and probably a very good child game.  Also, it is most important to read reviews.  Their are games that get 9+ that I wouldn't touch and games that are 5-7 that I enjoyed greatly and bought the game from reading the review. 

The problem is that Nintendo won the casuals to the Wii with very good adult casual games such as Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Wii Play.  If casuals buy this game thinking it will give them enjoyment they may feel snakebit and leave the market.  Casuals will not read internet reviews.  They are going to see the game in the stores and think I love the Wii XXX game and buy it.  I.E.  I have a co-worker, never into gaming before.  Bought a Wii, Wii Fit and of course the included Wii Sports.  Then she bought Beach Sports.  Now everyone on this site should know that that game is a universally bad game because we look up reviews on the internet.  But she didn't and she purchased it.  She was upset that she wasted $29.99 on the game and her attitude is now that she is fine with Wii Sports and Wii Fit.  Games like this have the possibility of contracting a fragile expanded market. 

Also, IGN and Matt Casamassina are not foolproof but one of the better reviewers out there.  Here is an article talking about him being excited about Wii Fit (Health) and Wii Music when they were announced and only brief clips have been shown. 

http://sickr.wordpress.com/2007/02/04/nintendo-wii-wii-health-announced/

He initially was very bullish about this game as was I.  However, during the past several months he has most likely played the game extensively, talked with developers of the game, and say several of the features before the article.  That's his job.  He doesn't always write up articles about these things.  Maybe it's just a ten minute convo with a developer talking about the modes that got cut and he doesn't have enough for his article, maybe it's a 15 second clip that a developer sent him that he can't link on IGN, maybe it's a game play session that he had where he had to sign a NDA to take part in.  Either way he soured somewhere along the way and the final game didn't compensate enough for it.  I soured on the game at E3 and although the game looks better than it was at E3, it is not enough for me to reverse course and buy the game.  I'm not going to go through the history of blogs/articles from Matt at IGN, but I remember him souring on the game at E3 as well.

 



I smirk at the people here that pretend they know better what Nintendo customers want than Nintendo itself. Or at those reviewers, but that's not new.
The truth is that these reviewers were irrelevant since a long time, and the Wii is making them even more irrelevant. I can tell their reviews are not effecting Wii sales one bit, so Nintendo doesn't need to even talk with them, so no advertising from Nintendo, so Wii games get low scores.
But the reviewers still need to give the "hardcore" Nintendo games good scores because of the DS.

When the best game company starts going away from your magazine, I'm not sure the proper behaviour is the one I'm seeing. They made themselves irrelevant, and these kind of reviews will only make the matter worse.
Notice most videogame mags are pretty solely dedicated to hype "hardcore" games. Some even specifically explain they don't review less known game by policy.



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ookaze said:
I smirk at the people here that pretend they know better what Nintendo customers want than Nintendo itself. Or at those reviewers, but that's not new.

Smirk all you want.  Remember virtua boy?  Nintendo is not fool proof in their product placement and their marketing is far from perfect.  I speak as a customer.  I may not be representative of the entire population but Nintendo ignoring me is currently Sony's gain.

 



cleveland124 said:
ookaze said:
I smirk at the people here that pretend they know better what Nintendo customers want than Nintendo itself. Or at those reviewers, but that's not new.

Smirk all you want.  Remember virtua boy?  Nintendo is not fool proof in their product placement and their marketing is far from perfect.  I speak as a customer.  I may not be representative of the entire population but Nintendo ignoring me is currently Sony's gain.

 

 

Everytime I read these, all I can think of is the episode of the Simpsons, Flaming Moe's.  When Homer keeps trying to tell moe he lost a customer.  But Moe is too busy counting the money and customers to really care. 

NINTENDO....YOU HAVE LOST YOURSELF A CUSTOMER!  STOP COUNTING AND LISTEN TO ME DAMMIT!

 



Yeah Nintendo is ignoring the "harcores".....

Super Mario Galaxy

Super Smash Bros Brawl

Mario Kart Wii

Disaster: Day of Crisis

ETC ETC

All these games within 1 Year....



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Dinomax said:
cleveland124 said:
ookaze said:
I smirk at the people here that pretend they know better what Nintendo customers want than Nintendo itself. Or at those reviewers, but that's not new.

Smirk all you want.  Remember virtua boy?  Nintendo is not fool proof in their product placement and their marketing is far from perfect.  I speak as a customer.  I may not be representative of the entire population but Nintendo ignoring me is currently Sony's gain.

 

 

Everytime I read these, all I can think of is the episode of the Simpsons, Flaming Moe's.  When Homer keeps trying to tell moe he lost a customer.  But Moe is too busy counting the money and customers to really care. 

NINTENDO....YOU HAVE LOST YOURSELF A CUSTOMER!  STOP COUNTING AND LISTEN TO ME DAMMIT!

 

Lol, just because Nintendo prints money doesn't mean they couldn't be making more.  I guess I just think the general thought of the thread was pointless.  You could talk on that comment on every thread on the site.

MGS4 to Xbox360
Ha ha all you fans think you know more than Konami about it's customer base.

Spore contains evasive DRM
Ha ha all you fans think you know more than EA about it's customer base.

MGS4 not to come to Xbox360

Ha ha all you fans think you know more than Konami about it's customer base.

This is a message board we discuss our opinions.  My opinion is Nintendo could make more $ and risks turning casuals against them with a game like this.  Will it happen?  We should know after a while.

 



Zucas said:
hanafuda said:
Zucas said:
Aj_habfan said:
Naum said:
no surprise at all, the reviewer totaly lack any musical talent at all

 

Isn't the idea that you don't have to be musically talented?

While Wii music on the other hand is about feeling rhythms and beats and whatnot. Feeling the music as you hear it and then trying to figure out how to keep it sounding good. And doing that the game helps you along in creating the same atmosphere with other instruments or in a song already. I mean the game is all about feeling the music becuase if you are detached from the music then it's not fun at all. I mean it's kinda like air guitaring or air drumming to your favorite songs haha and instead of nothing coming out you have music come out. That's what Wii Music is about creating your own songs without knowing everything about music. But you can see that if you are not big on music or really feeling music when you listen to it then you could obviously see why this wouldn't be your cup of tea. Maybe Matt just isn't a big music fan or has no rhythm. I don't know but this is just another way to do a music game and I think it might have found somehting that works.

 

You've played Wii Music at length then?

Feeling the music.

 

Depends if you'll believe me then I say yes.  If not I'll still say yes.  Your move haha.

 

I look forward to reading your in-depth review then.

 



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