| TheRealMafoo said: Yea Steven, we do so well with the taxes we collect. Let's give more money to them and see what that does. |
So you agree that the war in Iraq is a waste of money, that we should have been spending that money on schools and infrastructure.
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
watch out steven787, he'll agree with you and then vote Republican anyway despite their proven predilection towards disastrous government expansion. (As opposed to the much worse Democratic predilection towards non-disastrous government expansion.)
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| Final-Fan said: watch out steven787, he'll agree with you and then vote Republican anyway despite their proven predilection towards disastrous government expansion. (As opposed to the much worse Democratic predilection towards non-disastrous government expansion.) |
Hey, wasting other people's money is completely valid if its something you want even if you are against wasting money on principle. That has been the mantra of the Republican party for the last 28 years.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
So let me get this straight: Big Government is okay, if it is in the name of small government. Autocracy is okay, if it is in the name of freedom.
Is that right?
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
| steven787 said: So let me get this straight: Big Government is okay, if it is in the name of small government (Reagan). Autocracy is okay, if it is in the name of freedom (Bush). Is that right? |
You now understand the philosophies of these two men:
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
steven787 said:
So you agree that the war in Iraq is a waste of money, that we should have been spending that money on schools and infrastructure. |
Well, no. I think it was probably the biggest mistake a president has ever made in office to go into Iraq. It was against it then, and am against that choice now.
If we could just walk away today with little negative impact, I would say let's get out. But I don't think we are there yet. If being there means we keep hundreds of thousands of people from being ethnically cleansed due to our mistake, I say it's not a waste of money.
It's the cost of our mistakes, and paying out debt is never a bad thing.
Now as for taking the money and putting it into schools and infrastructure. I would say no to that as well. Don't collect it at all, and let the local governments collect it for those reasons.
TheRealMafoo said:
If we could just walk away today with little negative impact, I would say let's get out. But I don't think we are there yet. If being there means we keep hundreds of thousands of people from being ethnically cleansed due to our mistake, I say it's not a waste of money. It's the cost of our mistakes, and paying out debt is never a bad thing. Now as for taking the money and putting it into schools and infrastructure. I would say no to that as well. Don't collect it at all, and let the local governments collect it for those reasons. |
So the reconstruction of the 35W bridge should have been paid for entirely by local money?
And I suppose you would also hold that up as an example of government inefficiency and waste?
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| SlorgNet said: The American people are fine, it's our political and economic system which is fundamentally broken. How broken? Let us count the ways... 2. Broken health care system - the rich get treatment, the poor die. The US has some of the worst infant mortality and life expectancy indexes of any industrial country - people in Canada live 2 years longer on average than we do. Millions go bankrupt paying medical bills, unlike Canada, Japan or the EU. The US system is stupefyingly expensive - 15% of GDP, far more than Germany (8% GDP). The cost doesn't give us better care, it's waste, drained away by a parasitic insurance and pharmaceutical industry. |
I'm going to have to argue with this, sorry. The U.S. defines infant mortality differently than many countries, so our I.M. rate is higher than many of those other nations. As for life expectancy, you could actually do a lot worse. Hell, according to Wikipedia, the U.S. life expectancy is actually even higher than Denmark. And given this excerpt, I find that a bit surprising:
"Denmark, with a free market capitalist economy, and a large welfare state,[3] ranks according to one measure as having the world's highest level of income equality. From 2006 to 2008, surveys[4] ranked Denmark as "the happiest place in the world," based on standards of health, welfare, and education. The 2008 Global Peace Index survey ranks Denmark as the second most peaceful country in the world, after Iceland.[5] Denmark was also ranked as the least corrupt country in the world in the 2008 Corruption Perceptions Index,[6] sharing a top position with Sweden and New Zealand."
A lot of it is culture. Canada shares many of the same bad habits as we do, but they have a lower population and less poor (resulting in slightly higher life expectancies). The reason many countries in Europe and countries such as Japan have high life expectancies is because they don't have diets based around fast food and sugary cereal and soda. They don't have nearly as many overweight and obese citizens as the U.S.
But I do agree that health care in the country sucks.
Final-Fan said:
So the reconstruction of the 35W bridge should have been paid for entirely by local money? |
We didn't need the money for the war for the bridge, we did both.
The federal government should pay for federal roads, like the interstate, but we already collect taxes to do those things. Spend less, and give back more so local governments can collect it and be more efficient with what they collect.
I am not against government collecting taxes, I just think the bigger the government is, the more corruption and wasteful it becomes.
Let local government collect for local things (like 95% of the roads, schools, etc), and keep the federal government small. Less corruption, and less waste.
TheRealMafoo said:
The federal government should pay for federal roads, like the interstate, but we already collect taxes to do those things. Spend less, and give back more so local governments can collect it and be more efficient with what they collect. I am not against government collecting taxes, I just think the bigger the government is, the more corruption and wasteful it becomes. Let local government collect for local things (like 95% of the roads, schools, etc), and keep the federal government small. Less corruption, and less waste. |
I meant the first question as one of principle.
Just like businesses?
Local government is very good at sensible allocation of resources at the local level but some things are too big in scope for local governments to efficiently handle, and some other things need a government that will see the "big picture" (whereas local governments will naturally look out for what benefits the local area).
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