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theprof00 said:
oh. well regardless of "taxable income" i think his point was that the richest 1% are making more than us and yet pay much less percentage than others.

NO, his claim is a red herring. Those who earn higher incomes are taxed at a much higher rate and pay much more in taxes a year. What you just said is factually incorrect.

Warren Buffet is in a different circumstance and he intentionally used his circumstances to propagate misinformation on current tax code. There are very few people who are able to live off their assets like he does, and those who do live off their assets are generally retired and on a fixed income, which is why the capital gains tax is so low in the first place.

 



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it should be simple, pay ten percent of what you make to teh government- 4 to teh state and 6 to the federal, you will still have roughly teh same amount of money going to where it needs to and every man will be able to pay what he can



 

mesoteto said:
it should be simple, pay ten percent of what you make to teh government- 4 to teh state and 6 to the federal, you will still have roughly teh same amount of money going to where it needs to and every man will be able to pay what he can

 

 Makes sense... sure, but such a flat tax doesnt discriminate against the hard workers and job makers like the progressive tax does. And the marxist will have nothing to do with a fair and equitable tax code that doesn't dicriminate against the working class.



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Greer said:

I think our nation is at its best when neither party controls all 3 branches of government. 

 

No political party has ever controlled all three branches of government. I suppose that would have changed had the Judiciary Reform Act of 1937 became law, but it did not become law.



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I think that the people complaining about the distribution of wealth in America really need to go walk the streets of a poverty stricken area, and decide what "poverty" actually is.

Where I live, I can walk into the poorest area of town - where the vast majority of people are below the poverty line. 98% have TVs. 95% have cars.

What do we define poverty as? An arbitrary line of saying "oh, your too poor! You need more tax breaks!" or "your too rich! We need to take more of your money away!"

The fact is that the logic of "1% of Americans hold 64% of the wealth" is retarded....Why? That 99% lives better than most anyone else in the world. A pauper in the USA is better than a middle class citizen in China, or a higher class citizen in Nigeria.

And like Mesoteo said - We need a flat tax, stat..And preferably done at the point of sale. Everyone can avoid taxes, or just decide not to file. We need mandatory taxation at the point of sale so CEO's can't wiggle their way out of it, nor can the poor man. That way if the CEO is spending 100 times as much as the poor person, they get taxed 100 times as much.

I think it's fair that way - Spend more, get taxed more. Spend less, get taxed less.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

You call it socialistic? I'm forgetting the most current statistics but in the US 1.5% of the population controls 95% of the wealth. Even Marx said that 5% should govern 80%.

As for the people arguing the US's poor are living better than the other people's poor. Are you for serious? The poor in the US are in the worst condition of any of the western countries. They can't even get treated if they get sick.

Also the average 4 person family salary is around 45k a year. How many poor does it take to bring those multi millionaires back down to 45k?



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vlad321 said:
You call it socialistic? I'm forgetting the most current statistics but in the US 1.5% of the population controls 95% of the wealth. Even Marx said that 5% should govern 80%.

As for the people arguing the US's poor are living better than the other people's poor. Are you for serious? The poor in the US are in the worst condition of any of the western countries. They can't even get treated if they get sick.

I think your numbers are a little exaggerated...

 



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akuma587 said:
vlad321 said:
You call it socialistic? I'm forgetting the most current statistics but in the US 1.5% of the population controls 95% of the wealth. Even Marx said that 5% should govern 80%.

As for the people arguing the US's poor are living better than the other people's poor. Are you for serious? The poor in the US are in the worst condition of any of the western countries. They can't even get treated if they get sick.

I think your numbers are a little exaggerated...

 

 

 

I'm actually trying to fidn the exact numbers right now and will update them as they come int, but I remember seeing them and they were way way worse than what Marx was talking about.

 

Edit: Here we go, current US stats looking for Marx's ideas right now:

http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/pophealth/2006-April/001241.html

 

edit2: painin the ass to finding anything significant on communism without reading entire papers and speeches... still looking but in between HW breaks.



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EDIT: I just re-read this, and it sounds like I feel I have the right to kill anyone who is unjust in government. That is not what I mean. What I mean is when Government as a whole becomes unjust, and we must rebel against it, I am given the right to own the tools to do so.

Is it u osama ?

How many unjust governments were defeated in the last 100 years ?

How man lives were taken, cause of liberal arms laws.