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albionus said:
I laugh everytime I hear Sony fanboys react to another 3rd party pulling away from Sony by saying, "who cares, I haven't liked their games since X". It reminds me of all the Nintendo fanboys saying the same thing back in the N64/Cube days. I thought that was idiotic then and I think it's idiotic today.

It's fine if someone doesn't want to enjoy a game if it's not on their system of choice. No skin off my back. However, most people are more concerned with having a wide selection of gaming options.

It is somewhat unique to see the mentality come full circle.



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Can't blame them for money.  Next-gen is a bit expensive and Sony / MS is eating the cost of ushering in this era while Nintendo found a way around it.  You couldn't do this back then, you had to enter the 16-bit arena to compete graphically.

 As a PS3 fan obviously I'd rather play a lot of those games on PS3 instead of the Wii.  Tales of Symphony would look so much nicer on a PS3 right?  (Then again Shamco seems to shave costs for everything so I should probably expect PS2 graphics)

In the end the PS3 won't die, but a lot of games will go to the Wii since it's cheaper.  It'll hold onto all the games whose visual appeal requires hidef.  And I'll have to be content that it'll be another decade before the hi-def standard becomes universal.



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albionus said:
I laugh everytime I hear Sony fanboys react to another 3rd party pulling away from Sony by saying, "who cares, I haven't liked their games since X". It reminds me of all the Nintendo fanboys saying the same thing back in the N64/Cube days. I thought that was idiotic then and I think it's idiotic today.


Really, this stuff is absolutely hilarious.  Remember when Microsoft bought Rare, and the Nintendo fans who trolled message boards far and wide with praise for Rare and games like Perfect Dark, Conker, Donkey Kong 64, etc. suddenly started disowning them, saying they hadn't made anything good since Goldeneye and they were glad to be rid of them?  Fanboys are always good for a laugh in a ridiculous sort of way (see: PSTriple).



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elprincipe said:
albionus said:
I laugh everytime I hear Sony fanboys react to another 3rd party pulling away from Sony by saying, "who cares, I haven't liked their games since X". It reminds me of all the Nintendo fanboys saying the same thing back in the N64/Cube days. I thought that was idiotic then and I think it's idiotic today.


Really, this stuff is absolutely hilarious.  Remember when Microsoft bought Rare, and the Nintendo fans who trolled message boards far and wide with praise for Rare and games like Perfect Dark, Conker, Donkey Kong 64, etc. suddenly started disowning them, saying they hadn't made anything good since Goldeneye and they were glad to be rid of them?  Fanboys are always good for a laugh in a ridiculous sort of way (see: PSTriple).


I always thought that was amusing myself. When rare went to Microsoft I was slightly disappointed but when I saw the games they were making, I just shruged and played another bioware game.

The Nintedo fanboys from that time actually had some basis in fact (Grabbed by the Goulies, anyone, didn't think so). Keep in mind that most of them were bitching before Conker 2 came out or perfect Dark Zero (although the reviews for those games were also lack luster compared to the originals.) PS3 supporters are dissing companies that are still making seqels just as good as the originals.



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I will admit, I was extremely sad to see Rareware leave, I LOVED the stuff they put out on the SNES/N64. I'm very interested in seeing how Banjo-Threeie works on the 360.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

By the way ,just as the haters say developers go away from PS3 I see more PS3 games announced that everything else .Just from the last days

Dynasty Warriors 6 (Koei )
Nob Nob Boy (Konami )
Valkyrie of the Battlefield (Sega )
Tears of Tiaria (Nippon Ichi )
Disgaea 3 (Nippon Ichi )
Loco Roco (Sony )
Imabikisou (Sega )
Megazone 23:Blue Garland
Railfan Taiwan
Vampire Rain Altered Species

Etc etc ......



Diomedes1976 said:
By the way ,just as the haters say developers go away from PS3 I see more PS3 games announced that everything else .Just from the last days

Dynasty Warriors 6 (Koei )
Nob Nob Boy (Konami )
Valkyrie of the Battlefield (Sega )
Tears of Tiaria (Nippon Ichi )
Disgaea 3 (Nippon Ichi )
Loco Roco (Sony )
Imabikisou (Sega )
Megazone 23:Blue Garland
Railfan Taiwan
Vampire Rain Altered Species

Etc etc ......

I'll put it to you another way then ... There are roughly 80 third party Wii games that remain to be released in 2007 while there are roughly 50 third party PS3 games  that remain to be released in 2007. Before E3 2006 there was no doubt in developer's minds that the PS3 was going to dominate (and many expected the Wii to fail) and today more games are being released for the Wii than the PS3.

 



elprincipe said:
albionus said:
I laugh everytime I hear Sony fanboys react to another 3rd party pulling away from Sony by saying, "who cares, I haven't liked their games since X". It reminds me of all the Nintendo fanboys saying the same thing back in the N64/Cube days. I thought that was idiotic then and I think it's idiotic today.


Really, this stuff is absolutely hilarious. Remember when Microsoft bought Rare, and the Nintendo fans who trolled message boards far and wide with praise for Rare and games like Perfect Dark, Conker, Donkey Kong 64, etc. suddenly started disowning them, saying they hadn't made anything good since Goldeneye and they were glad to be rid of them? Fanboys are always good for a laugh in a ridiculous sort of way (see: PSTriple).

Yep, anyone who thinks Nintendo fans are somehow immune to such fanboyism are silly.



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Bodhesatva said:
elprincipe said:
albionus said:
I laugh everytime I hear Sony fanboys react to another 3rd party pulling away from Sony by saying, "who cares, I haven't liked their games since X". It reminds me of all the Nintendo fanboys saying the same thing back in the N64/Cube days. I thought that was idiotic then and I think it's idiotic today.


Really, this stuff is absolutely hilarious. Remember when Microsoft bought Rare, and the Nintendo fans who trolled message boards far and wide with praise for Rare and games like Perfect Dark, Conker, Donkey Kong 64, etc. suddenly started disowning them, saying they hadn't made anything good since Goldeneye and they were glad to be rid of them? Fanboys are always good for a laugh in a ridiculous sort of way (see: PSTriple).

Yep, anyone who thinks Nintendo fans are somehow immune to such fanboyism are silly.


Although (in defence of the Nintendo fans) on many message boards before the news came out there were tons of postings about whether Rare would return to their previous level of greatness. Banjo Kazooie was generally considered far better than Banjo Twooie and Donkey Kong 64, Jetforce Gemini and Conkers Bad Fur Day were flops, and Perfect Dark was very good but was delayed several times and stuck very close to the Goldeneye formula.

People were praising Rare mainly because they thought that a lot of their problems were caused by the loss of key staff members when Zoonami and Free Radical were created. The bashing of Rare afterwords was partially from frustration of losing Rare to Microsoft and partially honest comments; rare was taking forever to release games and when released they were not having the impact of previous Rareware games (see. Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero)