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ZenfoldorVGI said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
lol impulsivity - i'm kind of an apple fan but you are just a raging OSXbot =)

Anyways yeah, OSX+QuickSilver>all!

 

lol, I prefer your take on it, compared to the way impulsivity puts it.

 

I'm way too jaded to be fanatical about anything anymore =)

Getting old, they call it.

 





Current-gen game collection uploaded on the profile, full of win and good games; also most of my PC games. Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts 1982-2008 (Requiescat In Pace).

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ZenfoldorVGI said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
lol impulsivity - i'm kind of an apple fan but you are just a raging OSXbot =)

Anyways yeah, OSX+QuickSilver>all!

 

lol, I prefer your take on it, compared to the way impulsivity puts it.

@impulsivity

You tend to have a point in most of your arguments, but you just embellish everything so much, so it's black and white. You form an opinion, and everything is either all terrible or all amazing. The only evidence I've seen of a middle ground from you is when you admitted ToV didn't suck. You wouldn't be a poster that makes me want to avoid threads you're in if you would just tone down the hateful slander a bit in every post. You also text crit a lot, but as most of my friends here know, I do too, so I kinda respect that, lol.

 

    I don't see everything as black and white, I just absolutely hate incompetence.  The only thing I hate more then incompetence is incompetence being rewarded.  That coincides often with Microsoft, I can't help it.  I will admit more then one company or person can do something well, that the world has grey in it.  For example I like Safari and Google Chrome for speed and Firefox for its compatibility with certain codecs that webkit (which Safari and Chrome run) sometimes chokes on.  As to which is better I am not 100% sure and I sort of use both for different tasks still.  What I do know is that both are loads better then Internet Explorer which destroyed internet browsing for half a decade after assassinating Netscape (it was so blatant this time they were taken to court multiple times by multiple nations for their browser hubris).

 

 There are many ways in which Webkit and Mozilla browsers are better from their use of open standards (which IE 8 suposedly will FINALLY include) to their speed to their small memory footprint compared with IE.  They are better in every way but instead of working with the tech industry as a whole to advance internet browsers Microsoft has put huge road blocks in the way of everyone else to try and push their IE standards, even though IE and its standards are inferior.  Even Apple, which supposedly is evil and closed, tends to work with the open source community ever since the 2000 switch to UNIX; webkit is open source now for example even though they developed it, hence Google's Chrome using it.  

   This may seem off topic but browsers are just one of many examples of one company, Microsoft, attempting to suppress superior ideas because of a mix of hubris and greed.  

 

  There are a lot of grey choices in browsers that have different relative merits, ditto for OSes (Linux is even more small and clean then OSX, especially some distributions, OSX is easier to use with more software, both are valid superior OSes in different realms for different reasons, I want OSX on my computer but I would probably rather have Linux on a server I was depending on) or game consoles (I of course contend that the PS3 is superior to the Wii, but only because I care more about realistic games then character based games, I recognize for some people the opposite is true and for them the Wii is the way to go) or soda (coke clearly tastes better to some people though I prefer Pepsi, its not like there is a correct way to taste).

   What is the difference between those grey choices and Microsoft?  OSX wasn't created as a way to force Linux out, nor the other way around; webkit wasn't made to destroy current browsers, it was to make new standards based browsers better and faster; Sony didn't start the playstation to force Nintendo out, in fact they offered it to Nintendo as a peripheral before starting out on their own after Nintendo said no.  Sony and Nintendo still aren't simply in video games to drink someone elses milkshake even if it means losing money to do it.

   That leaves my dislike for Microsoft as more of an anomaly then a pattern.  I dislike them because they are combative where most other tech companies are collaborative (I can't count the times I've seen hundreds of companies sign on to a standard only to have Microsoft attempt to force their own internal standard to corner the market for them, an often inferior standard like .net vs Java, silverlight vs adobe, .wma and .wmv vs MP3 and MPEG 2 ect.)  They take their billions and concentrate more on forcing out others where they had good ideas then finding new markets.

 They're the opposite of Star Trek, they only go where many men have gone before.  They started the OS game after Apple, the GUI game after apple, the browser game after netscape, the MSN game after AOL, the PDA game after Apple and later Palm, the MP3 player game after Zen/Apple, the Console game after Sony/Sega/Nintendo, the business services game after IBM...

   The worst part is I have yet to see a Microsoft product that is superior to what was already there, its one thing to go into a new segment and revolutionize it (Palm entering the PDA market, Apple entering the MP3 player market, AOL entering the internet service market in the early 90s) and quite another to just take the piles of cash that started with a few great crimes, and trying to buy and strong arm your way to market dominance.  

   OK wait, there is one device that they did first and best (because noone else seems to care to copy it).  The Microsoft surface, its a big ass table with a big ass monitor giving limited functionality.  It seemed to work a bit better on MSNBC for the election map then the CNN big board approach.  

   I can only think of 5 companies in the world I revile, I am usually very willing to see grey and admit there are relative merits to multiple companies/individuals.  

The first is Microsoft for reasons listed above

the second is Walmart (for their strong anti union stance, their push for more and more outsourcing and their slave wages)

the third is VW (their cars are by far the least reliable on the road according to consumer reports and yet insanely expensive, again I hate incompetence)

the fourth is Blackwater (ahole mercenaries that are paid 150k, 10x what a US soldier makes, and then kill civilians in nations we're supposed to be helping, fin great)

and the last one is Ubisoft (that whole imagine series on the Wii and DS is an abomination) though I put them in the grey category because they also make quality games for PC and HD consoles.  I don't think even saving the world from the credit crisis single handedly fully makes up for the existence of Imagine Babyz however.




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lmao oh god lol

If I wasn't about to pop PW3TT which I just bought, I'd have a riot with that post of yours Impulsivity. Your view of the world is so... wrong.





Current-gen game collection uploaded on the profile, full of win and good games; also most of my PC games. Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts 1982-2008 (Requiescat In Pace).

To answer to the bigjon:

A) Ms did take away things that were supposed to be there (there was supposed to be successor to NTFS, is a one example)

B) Driver situation for the early adopters

C) Made too user-pampering for the most people (UAC is one of those "features")(those who can do thing or do with their computer)

D) BC


I use my computer mostly for net-browsing with Firefox +Adblock +Cookiesafe +Flashblock +NoScript +TabMixPlus.

Running Windows Defender +Avira Antivir +ZoneAlarm +Windows Firewall turned off and never have had any problems with spyware and etc.

Why do you need better looking Start Menu ?

It is resource hog, because of Aero.(Even after you can shut it off)

Are there any good games that need DX10 to run ?

If somebody could just tell me a good reason to upgrade to Vista from Xp.

Most likely i will buy my new computer and install Xp with Sp3 and sata-support to it and wait for W7 to be announced/released next year.



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F1 vs FOTA, when too much power is in couple peoples hands.

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ZenfoldorVGI said:

!!!!

KoToR 2 is one of the best games of all time? Ugh!

That game is slightly above average at best.

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All right, roll for initiative.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
bigjon said:

Am I missing something here?

A year of bad to no driver support.

 

This.

Right now it's nice if you have a PC good enough to run it.



4 ≈ One

on no, you said the V word!!!1

Anyway, according to Apple, Vista sucks, and MS is giving all their money to marketing:

 

I mean, how stupid you have to be to criticize someone else's advertising funding in an advertisement?

 

 



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My best friend has had Vista since it launched. He has had very few issues. As an early adopter you are going to having issues with an OS. He actually had less issues with Vista than he did XP. I got Vista 64 bit in July when I bought my new laptop, haven't had any issues. Haven't crashed once. I seriously wonder if 90% of the Vista haters have actually used it. I mean people were acting like Vista was Millennium Edition. Now Windows ME was an awful OS.



Darc Requiem said:
My best friend has had Vista since it launched. He has had very few issues. As an early adopter you are going to having issues with an OS. He actually had less issues with Vista than he did XP. I got Vista 64 bit in July when I bought my new laptop, haven't had any issues. Haven't crashed once. I seriously wonder if 90% of the Vista haters have actually used it. I mean people were acting like Vista was Millennium Edition. Now Windows ME was an awful OS.

Windows ME was epicly bad.



Microsoft keeps extending the deadline of XP downgrade machines and keeps pushing forward the release of Windows 7 which is basically a re-done version of Vista. Sounds like Vista was a failure to me.

Windows Vista has a bad reputation for the same reason Windows XP had a bad reputation when it first started. It wasn't as good as the OS before it. The difference is that XP got better as time went by. Vista is too, but not good enough to convince people it's worth it.

And Vista does slow down your computer compared to XP. It's simple fact it requires more system resources than XP does, just like XP requires more than 2000. Is it worth the change?