Here goes
Drama : The Sopranos
Sitcom : Seinfeld or Frasier
Comedy: Arrested development
Reality show: never watched any
"The accumulated filth of all their sex and murders will foam up about their waist and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"...
....and I'll look down and whisper "no."
- Rorschach
I only really watch the Simpsons, and the occasional documentary nowadays.
I like the Simpsons, House and 24. And I am afraid to say a guilty pleasure is to watch American Idol, with my wife of course.
rocketpig said:
*head explodes* Please tell me you're joking. Lost is a lot of fun and I enjoy the show (and yes, there is fan service, loads of it), but let's not confuse complexity with depth.
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Lost has a redicolous amount of depth.
perpride said:
Lost has a redicolous amount of depth. |
Not intellectual depth, it doesn't. Lost has complexity and convoluted plotlines in spades but it's not some highbrow piece of art. It's pulp. Not that different than a lot of anime in that regard, really. Tons of characters running around doing wacky shit, exploring various themes (mostly superficially and ineffectually), and complex character relationships (many times, unnecessarily so). Its prime ingredient is that the series hides the most important aspects of the story from the viewer to create mystery. That is not quality storytelling. It's the laziest way to create suspense, really. Just hide stuff and let people wonder instead of trying to create real intrigue by being open and presenting the story points to the viewer in full.
With that said, I enjoy the show. But I'm not afraid to admit that it's a bit of a guilty pleasure.
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Never mind the buzzcocks.. or QI both are awesome (britain does the best tv) EDIT: Doctor who, Peep Show and friends are also pretty good
Had another account, Lost it though.. sniff 
rocketpig said:
Not intellectual depth, it doesn't. Lost has complexity and convoluted plotlines in spades but it's not some highbrow piece of art. It's pulp. Not that different than a lot of anime in that regard, really. Tons of characters running around doing wacky shit, exploring various themes (mostly superficially and ineffectually), and complex character relationships (many times, unnecessarily so). Its prime ingredient is that the series hides the most important aspects of the story from the viewer to create mystery. That is not quality storytelling. It's the laziest way to create suspense, really. Just hide stuff and let people wonder instead of trying to create real intrigue by being open and presenting the story points to the viewer in full. With that said, I enjoy the show. But I'm not afraid to admit that it's a bit of a guilty pleasure.
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Thats bullshit. High art invokes serious indepth study and analysis. For example see Lostpedia.com. If that isn't an example of numerous levels of interpretation and meaning from Lost i don't know what you mean exactly by highbrow art.
BTW out of interest here's a serious journal analysis of narrative complexity, Lost included. Don't tell me its not art.
https://segueuserfiles.middlebury.edu/jmittell/mittell%20narrative%20complexity.pdf
From personnel experience only documentaries, and only on rare occasions, have motivated my own interests in additional knowledge. Lost is a unique example of true engagement in a tv show. Doesn't often happen.
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
If you get a rabid enough fanbase, they can tear down every piece of Charlie's Angels and find meaning in it. That doesn't mean that there was intended meaning behind it and even if there was, it doesn't mean that meaning was terribly clever or artistic to begin with.
Lost hinges on hiding things from the viewer and revealing plot details as the writers see fit. You may think that's high art but I sure don't. I think it's a rather lazy way of artificially generating intrigue.
Nice way to refute my argument by calling it "bullshit", though. I love how people can get so riled up whenever anyone calls anything about their favorite series/game/movie and its artistic integrity into question. Shit, I've admitted several times in this thread that I enjoy the show and have seen every episode multiple times. It's not as if I'm saying it's a piece of shit.
Wait, why do I get the feeling that I'm reliving one of my umpteen MGS4 conversations all over again?
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True, JJ Abrahms gotta eat
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
| blackstar said: I love lost too but season 4 sucked , too fictional IMO |
As opposed to the realistic nature of the first three seasons?
I would probably say Lost is my favorite ever. There are a lot of great unner ups though. I personally think TV is at an all time quality high and I'm starting to enjoy it a lot more than movies nowadays. Mad Men is amazing drama in particular.
Tag: Became a freaking mod and a complete douche, coincidentally, at the same time.
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