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July 19 (Bloomberg) -- Microsoft Corp., the world's biggest software maker, said fourth-quarter earnings rose 7.3 percent, held back by more than $1 billion in costs to fix faulty Xbox video-game consoles.

Net income increased to $3.04 billion, or 31 cents a share, from $2.83 billion, or 28 cents, a year earlier, the Redmond, Washington-based company said in a statement distributed by PR Newswire today. Sales advanced 13 percent to $13.4 billion, beating analysts' estimates.

The repair expenses eroded gains from new Windows and Office programs. Xbox unit sales fell short of Microsoft's original forecasts for the year and the business has lost more than $5 billion in five years, reigniting debate about whether Microsoft should be taking on Sony Corp. and Nintendo Co. at all.

``You have yet another misstep here with the Xbox,'' said Sarah Friar, an analyst at Goldman, Sachs & Co. in San Francisco with a ``buy'' rating on the stock.

Profit met the 31-cent average estimate of 12 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Sales projections averaged $13.3 billion.

Shares of Microsoft added 2 cents to $31.53 in extended trading after the report. They had gained 59 cents to $31.51 as of 4 p.m. New York time in Nasdaq Stock Market composite trading. They have risen 5.5 percent this year, lagging behind rivals such as Oracle Corp., Google Inc. and Apple Inc.

Laggard

Microsoft said profit in the quarter that began July 1 will be 38 cents to 40 cents a share on sales of $12.4 billion to $12.6 billion. Analysts anticipated earnings of 38 cents a share and sales of $12.4 billion, the survey showed.

The company raised its forecasts for this year, though the projections still trail analysts' estimates. Profit will be $1.69 to $1.73 on sales of $56.8 billion to $57.8 billion, compared with an average analyst estimate of $1.72 and $57.9 billion. Microsoft in April forecast profit of $1.68 to $1.72 and sales of $56.5 billion to $57.5 billion.

The new Windows Vista and Office 2007, which went on sale broadly on Jan. 30, fostered growth of more than 10 percent in the company's two biggest divisions. The company also benefited from rising sales of programs for server computers, where its growth is outpacing the total market.

Xbox has been the laggard. Microsoft said this month an ``unacceptable'' number of its Xbox 360 machines are experiencing a complete shutdown customers call the ``red ring of death,'' after the circle that appears on defective consoles. Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer, 51, extended the warranty and Microsoft is reimbursing users who have already paid for fixes.

The repairs cut profit by about 8 cents a share, according to Friar. At least eight analysts reduced their earnings per share projections after the announcement July 5, lowering the average estimate by 7 cents.

The company has sold (read: shipped to retailers) 11.6 million consoles as of June 30, missing its forecast for sales of 12 million amid competition from Kyoto, Japan-based Nintendo's Wii. This week, Microsoft said Vice President Peter Moore, who oversees the Xbox business, is leaving to take a job at Electronic Arts Inc.


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So Microsoft have shipped 11,6 million consloles but only 10 million of them has been sold?



Predictions for December 31st 2008:
Wii 38,000,000
DS 84,500,000
PS3 17,000,000
PSP 41,000,000
X360 23,000,000

Well, we were expecting it .....



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Correct - Nintendo & Sony do the same thing.  Companies try to ship slightly more than needed so the product doesn't run out. 

Think about it - over my figure of 30,000+ individual stores that sell videogame worldwide, for a period of 85 weeks shipping 1.45 million more than what has been sold is not that bad.

1.45 million extra/(30,000)(85) amounts to (on average) ~.568 extra Xbox 360s sitting on a store shelf for each week over estimated amount of stores.



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TheSource said:

Correct - Nintendo & Sony do the same thing. Companies try to ship slightly more than needed so the product doesn't run out.

Think about it - over my figure of 30,000+ individual stores that sell videogame worldwide, for a period of 85 weeks shipping 1.45 million more than what has been sold is not that bad.

1.45 million extra/(30,000)(85) amounts to (on average) ~.568 extra Xbox 360s sitting on a store shelf for each week over estimated amount of stores.


 You would also have to subtract the RRD boxes that were unrepairable. It is well known that some people receive refurbished boxes, and fewer actually received new boxes. A very crude estimation with reported numbers would be: 11.6M boxes shipped, 30% reportedly defective in repair cycles, and MS admits a failure rate of 3% - these would be the _actual dead_ boxes - which gives us around 120'000 boxes canned (or 350'000 canned boxes total, if 30% of all sold boxes underwent the RRD cycle). So the maximum number of workable xboxes would be around 11.2M, if all were sold (which is certainly not true, since in my two local supermarkets (the 500'000lb gorillas as far as electronics is concerned), the stack of nonsold PS3's and xboxes has been equally high ever (and yes, you can walk into the store and ther are also wii's lying around..)



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What's interesting about this whole thing is that, even with the 1 billion that they had to eat, they still were in line with analysts prediction of their profit ...!!!

Cripes, that's impressive.



Dolla Dolla said:
What's interesting about this whole thing is that, even with the 1 billion that they had to eat, they still were in line with analysts prediction of their profit ...!!!

Cripes, that's impressive.

Not impressive if you're a shareholder who could have seen his shares soar in value as MS blew away earninig expectations.  Does highlight another reason MS chose to do the write off last quarter though. 



Corporate Revenue and Earnings (all of Microsoft)

 

 

 

(in millions)

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd quarter 06

2nd quarter 07

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Revenue

11,804

13,371

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Net Income

2,828

3,035

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Microsoft's Gaming and entertainment division (includes HD-DVD related business)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd quarter 06

2nd quarter 07

 

 

 

Operating Income

-423

              -1,199

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Is that $423m loss including Q1, or just Q2 alone?

Because 1.1b from Q2 last year sounds a little too steep.



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I just got this off of Microsoft's website and the earnings statement has been pretty telling. If you don't mind thesource, I put the information on a spreadsheet so that it can be more easily understood.

Anyway, here is my analysis:

First of all, Microsoft's corporate revenue has increased by 1.5 billion from the 2nd quarter that they have for comparison. That is a lot. But, their income has increased only by 200 million...which isn't nearly as much of an increase. Why? The obvious awnser is that their expenses incurred have jumped up big time.

Next, we have its Gaming and Entertainment division which includes HD-DVD related business. Out of microsoft's other 5 divisions, this wasn't the only one that had a greater loss than what was recorded for the 2nd quarter of 06, but what makes this unique is that all the other increases of losses were very miniscule. The .65 billion increase in losses is no small matter.

What does this mean?

Well, for almost 2 years now, Microsoft has lost money on the 360. Even with having the most units sold, and a highly profitable online service which is just gravy on top of the software sales, and sharing with nintendo of being the only 2 consoles to sell for greater than what they cost to make, there is something going on that isn't good. So, the problem isn't that its revenues are too low, or that they just aren't selling enough (like sony), but rather that the gaming and entertainment's divsion has just too many expenses.

I blame 2 things:
1. HD-DVD . Microsoft has no doubt thrown a lot of $$$ into the format, but the problem is that it isn't working and they are going through the business equivalent of throwing amounts of $$$ that would make donald trump drool away.

2. 360's reliability- Microsoft has had to spend a lot of money on labor for reburbishing the 360's, rent and equipment for diagnosing problems and providing a physical place to get it done, and unknown amounts of $$$ on replacing everything. Also, keep in mind that microsoft has reallly just started getting into the console business. Nintendo has had several consoles, sony has had experience making electronics for a long time. Basically this is the kind of mistake that a beginner makes. Not to say that microsoft makes a bad product, b/c its games are great, just that the reliability issue is one of those things that a company more experienced with hardware, not just the software needed to run it, would probably have been able to avoid.

Now, microsoft has gone a long way towards fixing this problem, but microsoft will still have this problem into 2008, as it will just take a while for all of the unreliable 360's to be refurbished and sent back with better heat protection.

The given its bad performance, the thing to do for all of us armchair analysts is to figure out just what impact this will have on the future.

The biggest problem that I see is that its gaming and entertainment division is just cash-poor right now. It just has not been making enough $$$$. We have already seen the effects of this, as microsoft just has not been able to compete with sony when vying for exclusive software titles. Or in other words, it hasn't been able to help with development costs, as an enticement to win exclusive titles.

So, given that the expenses of the 360 reliability problem are slowly going down, will we see a resurgence of microsoft's competitiveness in getting exclusive titles, or will we continue to see sony get most of them (disregarding the wii)???

Will microsoft even have the $$$ to drop its prices? The said that they would drop them, I just don't know about it. Personally, I think that it would be a good idea to just drop the console price to a number that they can grow into but this has been debated endlessly around here so i'm not going to expand on that.

 

Personally, we have seen a decrease in sales lately, and given sony's success with getting exclusives, I don't think that they will be as successful as they have been for the early part of 08 at least. Microsoft corporate is going to only give its gaming and HDDVD division so much money in their master budgets, and to just let them have as much as they want would be pretty irresponsible. So, they have to be conservative somewhat, and that is why I think that the big problems that the division is still having will affect them somewhat in the future.

 

What do you think about this, thesource?