Never, plain and simple. Now it is either not outselling 360 and PS3 combined or doing it with a 5k margin. The Wii will have stiff competition this holiday from the 169 360 and the PS3, which costs 399 but is also a blu-ray player. Once the PS3 gets to 299 the Wii won't get nowhere near 50% marketshare.

kabhold said: GLoRySoGLoRy said: KBG29 said: Wii sales are already starting to come back down to earth. It did not beat PS3 + 360 last year from October thru December, and this year the fight will be even harder. Now the 360 has a cheaper entry price than the Wii, and the new avatars system will be a very comforting looking interface for parents planning to get a console for there children. Microsoft and Sony will be marketing the crap out of Banjo, and Little Big Planet both of which are in direct fire with Nintendos core audiance. Home will also be launched very soon, and it is going to be one of the biggest services Sony has ever took part in. Expect massive media about Home as Sony dumps the money into marketing it. The last thing to mention on the games side, is last year Sony had no big games launched. This year Sony and Microsoft both have very nice line-ups and many people that were not willing to go all out for GT, and MGS earlier will now be a little less hesetent. This year has also brought a lot of non gaming apps to the PS3 and 360 that will be very lucrative to many PS2, and Xbox owners needing more reasons to move on from the last generation. This holiday is the first holiday that Blu-ray in which Blu-ray will be the only option for HD movies, on a disk. Not to mention both consoles also allow users to rent SD and HD movies directly onto the console. Microsoft has a very well known name brand behind there service in the form of netflix, while Sony's offering is much less known, the service called Home which I mentioned above should do a fine job of getting the word passed around. As far as how the future beyond this holiday looks, thing for Wii will only grow harder and harder. Next year we are garanteed to see Wii with more colors and a price drop. We will also see redesigns for the PS3 and 360 as the chipsets will be small enough to make major cosmetic changes. It is almost sertant that Sony will lower the price of PS3 next year, and I would not count out a PS2 at 99 sometime during the year. Next yer will also be the first year the PS3 is going to be in full stride. We will finally start to see new exclusives once to twice a month the remander of the PS3's prime years. I see this as the last year that the Wii will have such dominance over the market. Next year most retailers will only be offering HDTV's, this will obviously expand the growth of the HD market and with more people having HDTV's the liklyhood that they will pick up a HD compatable device such as PS3 or 360 will only become greater. Japan, North America, and Western Europe will all be getting much faster internet connections over the next year. As the internet continues to become a simpler tool, and people move more towards downloads, and renting movies from DLC providers, the need for a console or media box with a large amounts of storage will only grow. Both the PS3 and the 360 are ahead of their time. With every year both systems become more and more of a usefull device for anyone in or out of gaming. The Wii has had its moment in the spotlight, but its life line is almost gone.    nice good opinion..you remind me of leo j, bolding massive prediction that failed miserbly    Actually his prediction of hdtv changing dominance in market makes sense to me.  I just bought a new 50" 1080p HDTV (upgrade from 32" crt) , I have all three systems and the only system that looks crappy is the wii .  I bought component cables for the wii but it still looks very bad.... not even compared to either of the HD consoles, it just looks bad.  So, I put my CRT TV in the basement with the wii.  If nintendo puts out another zelda or mario, I'll go down to the basement and play them otherwise.... I'll play my HD consoles.  ehhhh nm i'll play on my pc.

have people ever notice that peoples opinions isnt the same as others? I have a 54" 1080p plasma, and 44" 1080p Sony Bravia I played an HD console with it looks great, I dont give a @%$ about graphic. sorry im no graphic whore.

 

 

It's not only the graphic, it's also the resolution. Wii games look awfully strechted on HDTVs.

i can care less if Wii goes pure HD in 2011 with all the money thier making they probably will.

good quality games with tight motion controls is all i ask.

Normal families don't have 50" or 54" screens!

I think Wii overtaking ps360 will happen next year when WMP hits the market.

who cares what wii games look like on hdtv's, ... people are buying them regardless - i have a 46" panasonic full hd plasma and that isn't detracting from my wii playing experience, nor did it make me want to sell my wii

 

to go back on topic:

it is a matter of "when" rather than "if" it will gain 50% market share, i predict by april 2009

yes opinions do vary. sorry that mine doesn't conform to yours, and I can't stand motion blurs, bad color, etc. Would you buy a HDTV to just watch analog broadcast? I enjoy a great resolution. And graphics. Realize the difference.

All I'm saying is that I will not buy any game for the wii if it's available on a HD console. And if it isn't I won't buy it unless it's a great game. which the wii is lacking (Unless it's made by nintendo).

sorry that I get off the subject. But it will make a difference in sales in the future. When my friends come over and see the difference.....well they make a decision.

kabhold said: yes opinions do vary. sorry that mine doesn't conform to yours and I can't stand motion blurs, bad color, etc. Would you buy a HDTV to just watch analog broadcast? I enjoy a great resolution. And graphics. Realize the difference. All I'm saying is that I will not buy any game for the wii if it's available on a HD console. And if it isn't I won't buy it unless it's a great game. which the wii is lacking (Unless it's made by nintendo). sorry that I get off the subject. But it will make a difference in sales in the future. When my friends come over and see the difference.....well they make a decision.

Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, but the majority of people don't share yours. Seeing as how most Wii owners are already playing it on HDTV's (according to Nielsen Co. it's at something like 65%), I'm not buying this HDTV adoption = HD consoles taking over argument.

edit: Sorry kabhold, should've included it. Here you go - http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/12/20/ps3-owners-most-connected-to-hdtv-xbox-360-wii-not-far-behind/

OT: Sometime around the summer of next year is my guess, when the HD console sales slow (while Wii stays high with Wii Sports Resort). I don't see it happening before then, because the other consoles' holiday boosts will make it literally impossible for the Wii to take 50%, due to the supply issue (unless they're stockpiling a TON).

c0rd said: kabhold said: yes opinions do vary. sorry that mine doesn't conform to yours and I can't stand motion blurs, bad color, etc. Would you buy a HDTV to just watch analog broadcast? I enjoy a great resolution. And graphics. Realize the difference. All I'm saying is that I will not buy any game for the wii if it's available on a HD console. And if it isn't I won't buy it unless it's a great game. which the wii is lacking (Unless it's made by nintendo). sorry that I get off the subject. But it will make a difference in sales in the future. When my friends come over and see the difference.....well they make a decision. Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, but the majority of people don't share yours. Seeing as how most Wii owners are already playing it on HDTV's (according to Nielsen Co. it's at something like 65%), I'm not buying this HDTV adoption = HD consoles taking over argument. OT: Sometime around the summer of next year is my guess, when the HD console sales slow (while Wii stays high with Wii Sports Resort). I don't see it happening before then, because the other consoles' holiday boosts will make it literally impossible for the Wii to take 50%, due to the supply issue (unless they're stockpiling a TON).

 

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KBG29 said: Wii sales are already starting to come back down to earth. It did not beat PS3 + 360 last year from October thru December, and this year the fight will be even harder. Now the 360 has a cheaper entry price than the Wii, and the new avatars system will be a very comforting looking interface for parents planning to get a console for there children. Microsoft and Sony will be marketing the crap out of Banjo, and Little Big Planet both of which are in direct fire with Nintendos core audiance. Home will also be launched very soon, and it is going to be one of the biggest services Sony has ever took part in. Expect massive media about Home as Sony dumps the money into marketing it. The last thing to mention on the games side, is last year Sony had no big games launched. This year Sony and Microsoft both have very nice line-ups and many people that were not willing to go all out for GT, and MGS earlier will now be a little less hesetent. This year has also brought a lot of non gaming apps to the PS3 and 360 that will be very lucrative to many PS2, and Xbox owners needing more reasons to move on from the last generation. This holiday is the first holiday that Blu-ray in which Blu-ray will be the only option for HD movies, on a disk. Not to mention both consoles also allow users to rent SD and HD movies directly onto the console. Microsoft has a very well known name brand behind there service in the form of netflix, while Sony's offering is much less known, the service called Home which I mentioned above should do a fine job of getting the word passed around. As far as how the future beyond this holiday looks, thing for Wii will only grow harder and harder. Next year we are garanteed to see Wii with more colors and a price drop. We will also see redesigns for the PS3 and 360 as the chipsets will be small enough to make major cosmetic changes. It is almost sertant that Sony will lower the price of PS3 next year, and I would not count out a PS2 at 99 sometime during the year. Next yer will also be the first year the PS3 is going to be in full stride. We will finally start to see new exclusives once to twice a month the remander of the PS3's prime years. I see this as the last year that the Wii will have such dominance over the market. Next year most retailers will only be offering HDTV's, this will obviously expand the growth of the HD market and with more people having HDTV's the liklyhood that they will pick up a HD compatable device such as PS3 or 360 will only become greater. Japan, North America, and Western Europe will all be getting much faster internet connections over the next year. As the internet continues to become a simpler tool, and people move more towards downloads, and renting movies from DLC providers, the need for a console or media box with a large amounts of storage will only grow. Both the PS3 and the 360 are ahead of their time. With every year both systems become more and more of a usefull device for anyone in or out of gaming. The Wii has had its moment in the spotlight, but its life line is almost gone.

Don't agree with anything you wrote but I am typing om my blackberry so can't be bothered to reply to everything. The only thing I will say is this argument that people will get a PS360 just because they bought a hdtv is so retarded I feel like banging my head on a wall. Yet it is at the forefront of ps3 fanboys as to why ps3 sales will suddenly explode. Yet there is no evidence to even remotely suggest such occuring. First people need to realise the pull for those upgrading to hdtvs is not hd at all. The majority of these people are just buying a fancy new flat screen. If there were non hd plasmas were being sold for £100 they'd be selling like crazy. Many people buying these flatscreen hdtvs think anything displayed on the tv is hd. Secondly, in japan were hd is so developed and advanced wii outsells ps360 on a weekly basis. If that doesn't show how foolish the argument is I don't know what is. Thirdly, why would a huge number of people not interested in gaming buy a games console just because they have a hdtv? I can understand the argument for getting ps3 as a blu ray player but games consoles (shakes head from bafflement). But with falling blu ray prices the number of people that would be getting ps3 for blu ray will reduce. Fourth it is false propaganda spread by ps360 fanboys that wii looks terrible on hdtvs. That's only the case if you use composite cables. If wii is the more popular choice it will still be the more popular choice whether you are using a hd projector, hd plasma, hd lcd, sd projector, sd plasma, sd lcd, crt tv, pocket tv, wrist watch or whatever the heck you play games on