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ok sony fanboys that think wii sales are droppin off beginning next year. if it is supply contraint right now that means there are alot more people wanting the wii. plus i think sony fanboys are dillusional right now as nintendo fans were with the gamecube vs the ps2. but after the second holiday season ninty fans realized the gamecube was not goin to be much. and if the "big" games for the ps3 doesnt come out till next year which is the worst thing to happen ill tell you why. its the big games that sells systems. the faster they get out the faster the system sells. hence wii sales. at launch zelda was huge. that brought sales. now every other month is a semi big game release till the next big three at the end of the year. xbox360 is doint he same big games for the hoidays. where is the ps3's big games? oh that is right next year. so when these big games jump from being ps3 to wii or xbox360 sony will realize oh wait maybe we shouldnt have made the ps3 500 and 600 dollars. granted the psone was ont eh same path but the difference is this ps3 you need an HDTV to see all of its "beautiful" graphics. and guess what NO ONE CARES except sony fanboys. if you say oh your just a ninty fanboy well if you like to play WOW, CS, madden on the pc etc etc etc then hhmmm i dont think so. im a gamer and a family man. this is reality not fiction and family is the reason why the wii is a success



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scorptile said:
ok sony fanboys that think wii sales are droppin off beginning next year. if it is supply contraint right now that means there are alot more people wanting the wii. plus i think sony fanboys are dillusional right now as nintendo fans were with the gamecube vs the ps2. but after the second holiday season ninty fans realized the gamecube was not goin to be much. and if the "big" games for the ps3 doesnt come out till next year which is the worst thing to happen ill tell you why. its the big games that sells systems. the faster they get out the faster the system sells. hence wii sales. at launch zelda was huge. that brought sales. now every other month is a semi big game release till the next big three at the end of the year. xbox360 is doint he same big games for the hoidays. where is the ps3's big games? oh that is right next year. so when these big games jump from being ps3 to wii or xbox360 sony will realize oh wait maybe we shouldnt have made the ps3 500 and 600 dollars. granted the psone was ont eh same path but the difference is this ps3 you need an HDTV to see all of its "beautiful" graphics. and guess what NO ONE CARES except sony fanboys. if you say oh your just a ninty fanboy well if you like to play WOW, CS, madden on the pc etc etc etc then hhmmm i dont think so. im a gamer and a family man. this is reality not fiction and family is the reason why the wii is a success

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scorptile said:
ok sony fanboys that think wii sales are droppin off beginning next year. if it is supply contraint right now that means there are alot more people wanting the wii. plus i think sony fanboys are dillusional right now as nintendo fans were with the gamecube vs the ps2. but after the second holiday season ninty fans realized the gamecube was not goin to be much. and if the "big" games for the ps3 doesnt come out till next year which is the worst thing to happen ill tell you why. its the big games that sells systems. the faster they get out the faster the system sells. hence wii sales. at launch zelda was huge. that brought sales. now every other month is a semi big game release till the next big three at the end of the year. xbox360 is doint he same big games for the hoidays. where is the ps3's big games? oh that is right next year. so when these big games jump from being ps3 to wii or xbox360 sony will realize oh wait maybe we shouldnt have made the ps3 500 and 600 dollars. granted the psone was ont eh same path but the difference is this ps3 you need an HDTV to see all of its "beautiful" graphics. and guess what NO ONE CARES except sony fanboys. if you say oh your just a ninty fanboy well if you like to play WOW, CS, madden on the pc etc etc etc then hhmmm i dont think so. im a gamer and a family man. this is reality not fiction and family is the reason why the wii is a success

Zelda cuased to sell alot of wii units, but what does your post have to do with this topic? But since you are claiming sony fanboys this and that are delusiounal etc..I have a ps3, I dont have an hd tv. I have an SD tv. And everything looks good, graphics wise. Yes I can say you have no idea what you are talking about, the only "Big" games I know of coming to the ps3 is little B planet,MGS4, FFXIII,KIllzone2,and infamous. Those are next year games. Alot of games are coming to the ps3 console this year this fall. Well now that I think of it big ps3 games are coming out next year, but also this year.



 

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Zelda cuased to sell alot of wii units, but what does your post have to do with this topic? But since you are claiming sony fanboys this and that are delusiounal etc..I have a ps3, I dont have an hd tv. I have an SD tv. And everything looks good, graphics wise. Yes I can say you have no idea what you are talking about, the only "Big" games I know of coming to the ps3 is little B planet,MGS4, FFXIII,KIllzone2,and infamous. Those are next year games. Alot of games are coming to the ps3 console this year this fall. Well now that I think of it big ps3 games are coming out next year, but also this year.


Zelda didn't sell all that well in Japan, actually, and it didn't seem to move Wiis. The Wii is sold out everywhere despite Zelda being old news. Further, Zelda was available on the gamecube, so you didn't need a Wii or to pay even close to $210 to get it.

Little Big Planet -- what's the hype like for that in Japan? I'm betting it isn't hotly anticipated

MGS4 -- not a big franchise in Japan

Killzone 2 -- if the best FPS doesn't do well in Japan (Halo) than why would the sequel to a mediocre one?

Final Fantasy XIII -- is this going to be released in 2008? I wouldn't be surprised to see it slip into 2009, even in Japan. With the PS2's installed base of > 20 million in Japan, Final Fantasy 12 sold over 2 million units! Don't expect Final Fantasy 13 to approach that level of success on the PS3, however, because there won't be a 20 million unit base anytime soon.



scorptile said:
ok sony fanboys that think wii sales are droppin off beginning next year. if it is supply contraint right now that means there are alot more people wanting the wii. plus i think sony fanboys are dillusional right now as nintendo fans were with the gamecube vs the ps2. but after the second holiday season ninty fans realized the gamecube was not goin to be much. and if the "big" games for the ps3 doesnt come out till next year which is the worst thing to happen ill tell you why. its the big games that sells systems. the faster they get out the faster the system sells. hence wii sales. at launch zelda was huge. that brought sales. now every other month is a semi big game release till the next big three at the end of the year. xbox360 is doint he same big games for the hoidays. where is the ps3's big games? oh that is right next year. so when these big games jump from being ps3 to wii or xbox360 sony will realize oh wait maybe we shouldnt have made the ps3 500 and 600 dollars. granted the psone was ont eh same path but the difference is this ps3 you need an HDTV to see all of its "beautiful" graphics. and guess what NO ONE CARES except sony fanboys. if you say oh your just a ninty fanboy well if you like to play WOW, CS, madden on the pc etc etc etc then hhmmm i dont think so. im a gamer and a family man. this is reality not fiction and family is the reason why the wii is a success
So fast to jump at Sony fanboys when it is blatantly obvious your nothing more than a wiiboy. Sorry, but Wii's are no longer supply constrained, I could go get one at any point I choose at my local Gamestop, EB, or Walmart. Onine they are even more abundant.
Your a "family man"? I truly figured you were a child, hopefully at least you were just angry and do not teach your children to act this way, it's despicable.
BTW, wasn't Moore just canned :p


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leo-j said:
I agree with peter moore, Sony needs to be worried about ps3 sales, nintendo is taking over japan. Sony is losing japan, they need a price cut on that ps3.

 I don't think a price cut would do it. They need some games, and a lot of them.Sony needs a long plan for how they should retake the trone.



 

 

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vizunary said:
So fast to jump at Sony fanboys when it is blatantly obvious your nothing more than a wiiboy. Sorry, but Wii's are no longer supply constrained, I could go get one at any point I choose at my local Gamestop, EB, or Walmart. Onine they are even more abundant.
Your a "family man"? I truly figured you were a child, hopefully at least you were just angry and do not teach your children to act this way, it's despicable.
BTW, wasn't Moore just canned :p

http://wiitracker.com/
http://www.itrackr.com/  National Availability: 10%

I think it is still fair to say that the Wii is supply constrained

 



vizunary said:
scorptile said:
ok sony fanboys that think wii sales are droppin off beginning next year. if it is supply contraint right now that means there are alot more people wanting the wii. plus i think sony fanboys are dillusional right now as nintendo fans were with the gamecube vs the ps2. but after the second holiday season ninty fans realized the gamecube was not goin to be much. and if the "big" games for the ps3 doesnt come out till next year which is the worst thing to happen ill tell you why. its the big games that sells systems. the faster they get out the faster the system sells. hence wii sales. at launch zelda was huge. that brought sales. now every other month is a semi big game release till the next big three at the end of the year. xbox360 is doint he same big games for the hoidays. where is the ps3's big games? oh that is right next year. so when these big games jump from being ps3 to wii or xbox360 sony will realize oh wait maybe we shouldnt have made the ps3 500 and 600 dollars. granted the psone was ont eh same path but the difference is this ps3 you need an HDTV to see all of its "beautiful" graphics. and guess what NO ONE CARES except sony fanboys. if you say oh your just a ninty fanboy well if you like to play WOW, CS, madden on the pc etc etc etc then hhmmm i dont think so. im a gamer and a family man. this is reality not fiction and family is the reason why the wii is a success
So fast to jump at Sony fanboys when it is blatantly obvious your nothing more than a wiiboy. Sorry, but Wii's are no longer supply constrained, I could go get one at any point I choose at my local Gamestop, EB, or Walmart. Onine they are even more abundant.
Your a "family man"? I truly figured you were a child, hopefully at least you were just angry and do not teach your children to act this way, it's despicable.
BTW, wasn't Moore just canned :p

I'm not at all defending his post, Vizunary -- I agree, he's a fanatic and deserves to be shot down -- but the Wii is definitely still supply constrained. I can tell you with absolute certainty that every Toys R Us in Saint Louis is sold out of Wiis, and given that I get 10-20 requests a day for Wiis, I would guess that everyone else is, too (they say things like "Gosh, I can't find one anywhere!" or "How can I get one of these things?"). Even look at Amazon: they're sold out, and unlike PS3s, they're not even taking preorders. Look at this page:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=sv_vg_1/103-7236659-6878255

First, notice that the Wii has moved back up to number two, and second, notice that it says "See all buying options" instead of "add to cart," like everything else does, including the PS3. That's because the Wii is not only sold out, but so high in demand they aren't taking preorders! Also, look at the fact that "used" Wiis are selling for almost four hundred dollars!

Also, look here:

http://www.itrackr.com/

The Wii is at 10 percent availability, which is 1 percent lower than it was last time I looked... in March. Perhaps it's not constrained where you are, but it absolutely, positively is in most parts of the country, as you can plainly see. I do want to emphasize again, however, that "scorptile" was deliberately inflammatory and is a fanboy. I'm not taking away from that.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
montrealsoon said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

>>I don't think anyone expected the 360 to be anything but number three in Japan as far as the home consoles go, but Sony has been dominant for two gens over there, and to have them fall so far, so fast, has been a surprise, the PS3 is not selling even remotely well only doing about twice as many sales as the 360, and will likely never be able to catch up to the Wii in Japan, this is very damaging to the PS3's chances since it isn't doing that well in NA or Europe either.<<

What you are saying is totally true, but the angle I find missing in this overall story is that the 360 has been "punched in the gut" just as hard by the Wii (worldwide). The only difference is the XBOX brand has significantly less of a distance to fall. {smiley}


Oh, no doubt, the Wii has basically shocked the gaming world with its success, but like you said MS has never been in first place in the console market, I think MS would be happy as long as Sony ends up in third even if they lose to Ninty, part of the reason MS got into the market was to protect itself from Sony, I think MS just wants Sony to lose, and doesn't care if it loses to Ninty.


 I see what you are saying, and I think it fits well in what MS' original intention was in the market:  a defensive move against SONY (who were alluding to be an alternative to the PC).

 My question, based on that, is whether or not MS feels it's necessary to stay in the console business with SONY effectively neutralized regardless of Microsoft's efforts? 

 



Damn and I almost posted a thread similar to this effect a few days ago.

First of all, I wanted to re-state this because I think it is hilarious...

Microsoft pointed out how good Nintendo's sales in Japan are, in order to show how bad Sony's sales in Japan are, so he could avoid answering a question about Microsoft sales in Japan. Now thats SPIN!!!

Anyways, what he said is true, its hard to refute that.

I'll finish this post with a question to the rest of you...

Why do people think that Hotshot Golf will sell well in Japan? If you look at the success of DDR and others like it, I think it is pretty clear that any Wii gold game would be significantly more popular than a PS3 golf game.



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