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Machina said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Last night I finally got the Platinum for The Last Guardian. Oh man I'm gonna miss Torico.

Not gonna miss sitting around for 10 minutes waiting for a hint to come up though, I bet. Or pointing at something and telling Trico to move his ass over and over again, especially not when you're on a timer.

Those are two of the most ill-conceived trophies/achievements I've ever seen in a game. One that forces you to play like you're retarded so that all of the hints show up, and another that forces you to rush through a game that's intentionally slow-paced so as to build up a relationship between the characters and which relies on a wild creature that is not particularly well trained to follow orders.

The fact remains that despite Torico's lack of discipline, trophies are still doable. I know cause I did them all... And to be honest, the notion of frustrating trophies was not invented here, I can tell you about other games with trophies that makes you wanna smash your head on the wall and jump off your window.

Personally the only part that I really found annoying was when I was stuck and hanging from a tree. Took me a while to figure out how to get out of that spot. Once I did it was not so hard but let's say if it's your first play through, that part can be annoying.

As for Torico himself, you (as a lot of people) missed the point. Torico IS AN ANIMAL so if they had made him so that he obeys and acts the same a machine or robot does in other games then it wouldn't  have felt natural. If you have a gun in some shooter game and it does not shoot the very second you push your button, you will be frustrated and very rightfully. A gun or any other machine is supposed to react immediately when triggered.

But Torico is a beast and is NOT supposed to behave like a machine, instead Torico is AMAZINGLY well animated, feels very organic and the way he annoyingly sometimes did not behave as you expect (This one time I told him to go in this direction and instead he goes in the opposite as I'm standing on his back) makes him feel incredibly real and you can't help but talk to your TV as you play "No, you stupid beautiful Torico, not that way, this way..." The experience (when you are the right person for this kind of game) is amazingly strong and emotional, you create a bond with the creature and that's why this game is what it is. It was NEVER meant to be you and a robot that does exactly what you say, but you and an animal that you need to tame over time and create a bond with.

I'm sorry so many people did not get it and I guess this kind of game as amazing as it is, is only meant to be understood by a minority. Honestly I bow down to you Mr Fumito Ueda for going ahead and keeping this game "pure" despite the obvious pressure you must have had to make it into some kind of generic and ordinary experience that would perhaps appeal to a broader range of gamers.

The Last Guardian just like Shadow of the Colossus and ICO are masterpieces that transcend the standard requirements of what makes video games good. They go above and beyond and it takes a certain sort of people to appreciate that.

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 25 June 2018

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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Machina said:

Not gonna miss sitting around for 10 minutes waiting for a hint to come up though, I bet. Or pointing at something and telling Trico to move his ass over and over again, especially not when you're on a timer.

Those are two of the most ill-conceived trophies/achievements I've ever seen in a game. One that forces you to play like you're retarded so that all of the hints show up, and another that forces you to rush through a game that's intentionally slow-paced so as to build up a relationship between the characters and which relies on a wild creature that is not particularly well trained to follow orders.

The fact remains that despite Torico's lack of discipline, trophies are still doable. I know cause I did them all... And to be honest, the notion of frustrating trophies was not invented here, I can tell you about other games with trophies that makes you wanna smash your head on the wall and jump off your window.

Personally the only part that I really found annoying was when I was stuck and hanging from a tree. Took me a while to figure out how to get out of that spot. Once I did it was not so hard but let's say if it's your first play through, that part can be annoying.

As for Torico himself, you (as a lot of people) missed the point. Torico IS AN ANIMAL so if they had made him so that he obeys and acts the same a machine or robot does in other games then it wouldn't  have felt natural. If you have a gun in some shooter game and it does not shoot the very second you push your button, you will be frustrated and very rightfully. A gun or any other machine is supposed to react immediately when triggered.

But Torico is a beast and is NOT supposed to behave like a machine, instead Torico is AMAZINGLY well animated, feels very organic and the way he annoyingly sometimes did not behave as you expect (This one time I told him to go in this direction and instead he goes in the opposite as I'm standing on his back) makes him feel incredibly real and you can't help but talk to your TV as you play "No, you stupid beautiful Torico, not that way, this way..." The experience (when you are the right person for this kind of game) is amazingly strong and emotional, you create a bond with the creature and that's why this game is what it is. It was NEVER meant to be you and a robot that does exactly what you say, but you and an animal that you need to tame over time and create a bond with.

I'm sorry so many people did not get it and I guess this kind of game as amazing as it is, is only meant to be understood by a minority. Honestly I bow down to you Mr Fumito Ueda for going ahead and keeping this game "pure" despite the obvious pressure you must have had to make it into some kind of generic and ordinary experience that would perhaps appeal to a broader range of gamers.

The Last Guardian just like Shadow of the Colossus and ICO are masterpieces that transcend the standard requirements of what makes video games good. They go above and beyond and it takes a certain sort of people to appreciate that.

Woah, holy shit, hold up dude, you're being way too defensive, and you've assumed a whole lot of stuff about me and my view of this and other Team Ico games which is simply not the case.

If Id've known you'd react like that I would've kept the ribbing of the game's trophies to myself...

Last edited by Machina - on 25 June 2018

Machina said:

Woah, holy shit, hold up dude, you're being way too defensive, and you've assumed a whole lot of stuff about me and my view of this and other Team Ico games which is simply not the case.

If Id've known you'd react like that I would've kept the ribbing of the game's trophies to myself...

I guess I was kind of defensive, it's just that usually you deal with people that are shut to this particular form of art which I am quite sensitive to.

I did not mean to assume anything about you, I'm only reacting to your post, I hope you can understand that. From there it's up to you to tell me that you are not so insensitive to this game and then give your reasons.

But by all means do not keep your opinions to yourself about this game or any other. I am one that strongly stands with my opinions and staunchly defends it so I could not ask of you or anyone to refrain from doing the same



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Machina said:

Woah, holy shit, hold up dude, you're being way too defensive, and you've assumed a whole lot of stuff about me and my view of this and other Team Ico games which is simply not the case.

If Id've known you'd react like that I would've kept the ribbing of the game's trophies to myself...

I guess I was kind of defensive, it's just that usually you deal with people that are shut to this particular form of art which I am quite sensitive to.

I did not mean to assume anything about you, I'm only reacting to your post, I hope you can understand that. From there it's up to you to tell me that you are not so insensitive to this game and then give your reasons.

But by all means do not keep your opinions to yourself about this game or any other. I am one that strongly stands with my opinions and staunchly defends it so I could not ask of you or anyone to refrain from doing the same

Yeah I'd understand that in a thread about a game, haters will often post comments slamming a game and it can make fans defensive because the only thing that person is doing is provoking a reaction out of people. But I think of threads like these of like mini-communities where you can talk honestly or jokingly about a game and no one will take it personally because they know you're not just a random hater there to trash talk at fans; but rather they're fans themselves just being honest and open.

I also platinumed The Last Guardian, and thought those two trophies were dumb because they make you do things that undermine some of the key themes of the game. I understand the argument that it's a creature and therefore will not just blindly and promptly follow all of your commands, for example (though this doesn't completely explain some of his unresponsive moments in my view; in particular there's one room where he really has trouble accepting your commands and does that 'confused' pose that is usually reserved for when your commands aren't making sense, though in that particular room your command is the only way forwards). It's also a very reflective and atmospheric title, like all of Team Ico's games. Both of these are reasons why a 'complete the game in x hours' trophy is simply a bad idea in my opinion.

As for my thoughts on the game itself -  I enjoyed it quite a lot and it's currently 35th in my top 100 games list. I loved Torico and the bond the two develop (hence my avatar), and especially the very gradual and natural way in which Torico begins to trust you. It's one of only two games that have ever choked me up.

The other one that did that was, coincidentally, Shadow of the Colossus, which imo is on a whole other level above The Last Guardian. It's a simply sublime game, regardless of which three versions you play (I own all three, and reviewed all three for the site shortly after their respective releases - http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/games.php?name=shadow+of+the+colossus ). It's 5th on my all-time top 100 games list and I absolutely adore it.

Last edited by Machina - on 25 June 2018

OVERWATCH platinum!!! Im so happy!  My rarest thus far :)



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Arc... you alive?

John2290 said:
Arc... you alive?

probably been busy or vacation? 



golfgt170 said:
John2290 said:
Arc... you alive?

probably been busy or vacation? 

Maybe. I'm out anyway, going to drop quite a bit as hundreds of hours in the souls series and Monster hunter doesn't yeild much trophy potential. I can tell though, Veritaz is going to shoot to the top with like 3000 points or more, He's always playing a new game when I check my friends list :D and that lad doesn't stop until he's platinumed a game and made it his bitch.



John2290 said:
golfgt170 said:

probably been busy or vacation? 

Maybe. I'm out anyway, going to drop quite a bit as hundreds of hours in the souls series and Monster hunter doesn't yeild much trophy potential. I can tell though, Veritaz is going to shoot to the top with like 3000 points or more, He's always playing a new game when I check my friends list :D and that lad doesn't stop until he's platinumed a game and made it his bitch.

Well im sooooo into Overwatch, that i play nothing else this period, haha. It's gonna be a downhill for me on the next update :D



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