Apple ads: I'm cool and easy to use.
MS ads: I have peer pressure on my side.

Yeah, they both sound true to me.

hah @Mr. Y my systems have paid for themselves many times over, covered upgrade costs, in the same time people with pcs that i work with have sunk way more in cost, and spend far more time down with problems, may be sterotype, but its true, i will not say i have not had problems (the computer is coming up on 6 years, still fast and kicking), i will say western digital HDS that are not raptor are crap, had 2 fail, my raptor the first ed hd i bought still runs great as a scratch disk... but SG for all other storage needs.... also i fried an ATI FX card by overclocking it 40% and running it that way without adding enough cooling... it worked for 9 months....

edit @final-fan... i think you got it... now sum up linux for me... im geeky enough to triple boot 

To those who say the apple ads just criticize windows but don't say what mac does better, this just isn't true. Some of the topics addressed by the commercials are no-activation-requirement, quick/easy out of the box setup, comprehensive/intuitive suite of creative apps included, tight hardware-software integration.
Yeah, some of the commercials exaggerate and poke fun, but that's part of the appeal. The vista security commercial definitely stretches the truth, but everyone I've shown it to thinks it's hilarious.

lol yeah that was the best part XD

One MS exec recently stated that Apple's policy is "the iWay or the highway" and he wasn't too far from the truth. Still, I'm not sure keeping its users shielded from the crazy product cycles of the gpu industry is necessarily a bad thing unless you care about games - and if you do buying a mac computer would be silly.

@bitmap, what cant i md on a mac that you can on a pc, i can overclock my gpu/cpu, swapthem both powerpc, and x86. i can add or remove hardware, heck i can even build an unathurised box, both powerpc and x86, ive flashed fx cards so they would run mac? I would say as a percentage of users modders are there in both cases, most people never mod, or alter a computer outside of software installs, so what is wrong with providing matched and tested hardware with os, and letting modders play where they want? or windows land they let 3rd parties take care of the matching... has not worked out well for the users in terms of obsilesence and user experience.

also current macs with intel inside do rate as pc mag has said the best windows laptop and the towers are fantastic workstations, more than capable of gaming.


game in windows land, work in mac land... its like the opposite, of the old apple work/play comercials

GPU's need apropiate EFI and be supported by the OS. The mobos need EFI bios and AFAIK a chunk of the EFI code is propietary so you either do it ilegally or use modified torrented osx (also ilegal). But where the quote really applies is software: what codecs are supported by the ipods? by itunes?. You either transcode or are screwed. Apple has crippled functionality on the iPhone: bluetooth stack, video recording, gps nav software, etc.

I know about all these things because I'm writing this on a mac (2007 alu imac, lepoard). Mind you I do not think Apple's approach is necessarily bad but you can't deny windows/linux is far more flexible and dare I say it open.

edit: the pro ships with a lowly ATI and has a 8800GT option. That's sorta OK but what about newer cards? on a windows PC you just need to plug them in and it works. Heck you can do it too on the mac pro but macosx will ignore the card - it's only functional if you boot into xp/vista.

Linux fanboys, windows fanboys, macosx fanboys and now... amigaos fanboys.

Man, we could start a freak circus venture.

@ Bitmap Frogs

Sure we AmigaOS supporters are a rare kind, we use brand new AmigaOS4.x releases on decades old PPC upgraded classics Amigas and pay ridiculous amounts of money for under-specced low volume PPC hardware.

But the Amiga community is still alive and kicking despite the various hardships (dozens of lawsuits and Microsoft using its monopoly to push Amiga out of the market, like they pressured Gateway not to release a new Amiga computer when they owned the IP).