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At the moment I´m doing a little research for a project our university started.

 

It is called "death penalty - what is your opinion about it?"

What we try to do is gettin some impressions of how the public views death penalty - as a good or as a bad thing?

 

So I´d like to ask you for your opinion: Do you think death penalty is something good, something bad - or are you neutral on it? Also, could you explain your opinion in some short sentences, please?

 

It would be really great, to get some answers here.

 

Will post more later as I have to go back to work now...

 

Feel free to comment please =)



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Something good, fight fire with fire. A murderer deserves death.



Here in Mexico is not legal... but I really think it should, crime penalties here are... well, almost non-existant... you kill someone, and they fine you with $20 bucks :P

I support it



I feel strongly against it.
I don't think anyone should have the right to take someone else's life. I saw you're from Germany in your profile, as you probably know it's one of the demands you have to qualify for before joining the EU (as a member state that is). I honestly don't see what you're solving by the death penalty.



Something good, fight fire with fire. A murderer deserves death.

That logic is fine and I don't really have an issue with killing sociopathic murderer, but you never really know for certain if your killing a murderer or just some guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The US has almost certainly executed multiple innocent people -- with the advent of DNA testing they discovered over 100 inmates on death row who were, in fact, innocent.

Taking an innocent life every now and then just to satisfy your penchant for eye-for-an-eye justic isn't acceptable.



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for murder i support one of two punishments. The first is the death penalty. The second, is you go into slave labor and pay whoever was dependent on that person (or some relative, or if they don't have anyone, then some charity) everything you make until you die. When your not working, your locked in your cell like a normal criminal. Most criminals would probably choose the death penalty

Yes, sometimes the legal system makes mistakes and the wrong person is convicted and that is one reason not to support the death penalty, but with option two above, they would have time for a re-trial. I can't really think of any other crimes at the moment that deserve the death penalty, but i think it should only be used for the worst of crimes, like murder.




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Strongly against it for the most part, but i do believe that some crimes are so extream that the person who commits them should die.



Im for it in extreme cases for people that would otherwise get very very long life sentances, that are proven without a doubt via DNA evidence, ect, to be the culprit.

I fail to see why someone should live, as we spend tens of thousands of dollars per year for someone, that shouldn't be a burden to society. They first take, rape, destroy, steal, or do many other horrible things (sometimes all the above), only to goto jail, where we can spend even MILLIONS of dollars PER INMATE.

I fail to see how that's truely paying. I don't like the idea of killing someone, but the fact is, the death penalty works good in many ways: it attempts to deterr criminals with the penalty of death (which indeed does work in cases), and if it's enforced, saves us from millions, and billions of dollars a year trying to maintain overflowing prisons with criminal scum. I'm not saying kill 'em all, but there has to be some sort of deterrant to kill someone rather than getting 3 hots and a cot.

Or, instead, a good/better idea would be forced labor for life at something a criminal can do that'd make them give back to society for life. Instead of costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, if they could in turn make the government/society a return on their imprisonment.

Overall, I'm against "killing people back", but at the same time, it's sadly the only option in some cases. It's either imprison them at $40,000/yr for 20, to even 50 years (at a cost of $800,000-$2,000,000), or try to deterr it with death sentences.



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An empirical view on the death penalty
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I do not support the death penalty in any form.

Most of the arguments I hear that are pro-death penalty ultimately boil to one of two things:
1) The criminal killed/raped/whatever someone else, and so no longer deserves life.
2) The possibility of death is a deterrent to others who might otherwise commit the crime.

However, there are too many cases of people on death row getting posthumously deemed innocent of the crime they were killed for to make the first argument anything but specious.  

The reason Illinois currently has a moratorium on the death penalty isn't because the governor thinks that murderers deserve life; its because new evidence (e.g. DNA evidence) has come into the scene since the initial trial that exonerates the defendant.  These cases are numerous enough to prove that it is not a statistical anomaly -- indeed, too often will a jury trial find an innocent person guilty.

This is not to say that everyone on death row is innocent; however, a sentence of life in prison can be 'escaped' from if new evidence comes out exonerating someone.  Death, on the other hand, is permanent.  Even if they were the most innocent person on the planet, once someone is dead they cannot be freed from their punishment.

Indeed, in my mind a SINGLE person killed needlessly is enough to ruin any chance of the death penalty being a just punishment in my mind.  It is too permanent with not enough chance for redemption if the person they thought was guilty turns out later to be innocent.

The second reason (the deterrent policy) is even worse, in my view.  Not only is the data on whether or not it is a deterrent  sketchy at best, but EVEN IF WE ASSUME IT IS A DETERRENT, it will not affect that many people - the people that kill in a fit of passion or that kill pre-meditatively will not be dissuaded.  I think a life sentence will do as much for that as killing.

Furthermore, one of the *BEST* arguments for the deterrent policy is that even if ONE innocent life is saved, it is worth it to keep the policy.  You can see my first argument for why this falls apart; because there have been proven to be people killed through the death penalty that were innocent, whereas the deterrent policy is a mixed bag.  Therefore, this argument is actually best used in opposing the death penalty, not in supporting it.

This does not even take into account the huge cost of the death penalty in the appeals process, etc.  It takes up a huge amount of taxpayer time and money compared to life in prison.
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A more philosophical view on the death penalty
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(this part of the post will assume basic knowledge of Locke, or at least the basic theories behind social contract-based government)

The political system behind American Democracy is based on the idea of a social contract.  If we take this contract to be tacitly approved in the act of living in america [note: this isn't how I actually think about the world, I am much more of a Nietszchean when you get down to it], then this contract means several things.

First, the social contract of Locke demands that no being have the right to take away another's life, health, freedom, property, and such.  If this happens, then society needs to come in and punish them.  However, in his view the society also has the requirement to guarantee these for EVERYONE in the society.

If the death penalty exists, then the society is basically eliminating the criminal from the society.  The society is saying that not only did you break the rules we laid down, but you did it in such a way that you will *never* be allowed back in this society.  In the process of doing this, the society is de facto approving of that person's methods, and this legitimizes them.  In taking a life for a life, the society is admitting that taking a life can be okay, which removes any sort of authority the society had over that individual.

If the society does not have the death penalty, then the society is saying "you killed; however, we are not going to legitimize that through the taking of your life.  Rather, we are going to hold ourselves to a higher standard and only take away your freedom."  It simultaneously punishes and makes itself seem 'higher' than the one it is punishing.

If our government were based on the Hobbes' model of the Social Contract, on the other hand, the death penalty would be A-OK.  Then again, so would the murder.  So I guess it's all in how you look at it.



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I am absolutely against death penalty.

First of all, you should NOT fight fire with fire; this leads to nowhere.

Second, killing a murderer means you act on the same level he does, but you should try not to make his mistakes again.

Third, the murderer should have to think about his crime in prison, killing him makes him feel like a victim and he won't really make up his mind about his action.

This also goes for his relatives. They may strongly disagree with his action, but they still love him meaning you create new, unguilty victims by killing him.

Also, everybody should get the chance to change.

And last but not least, as others have mentioned, you can never be a 100 percent sure that you have the right one.



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