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apple is the top seller of music digital or solid state sorry about misunderstanding there 321

 

do you not back up your digital files... i went digital, because all my cds were stolen out of my house and i didnt have them backed up assshole got my dvds too, thought i still buy dvds, mainly because there wasnt a good option in the begining like itunes. 

 

im also all for massive hds, but you must remember the laws need will increase proportionatly to availability, or in other words you will never have enough hard drive space 

 

http://valleywag.com/375681/apple-now-top-music-seller-in-america-beating-wal+mart

 

not the original artical i found but does support me there is a more recent one somewhere by WJ



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starcraft said:
MikeB said:

@ Vasot

Microsoft is already working and waiting for a larger and better Media disk from the Bluray according to the rumors


In what ways better?

More data storage than multi-layer Blu-Ray disc? (Currently up to 200 GB per disc)

Faster? How much faster loading than the fastest Blu-Ray PC drives available by then?

Major innovations like constant reading speeds throughout the disc and scratch resistance are already there with Blu-Ray. What makes you think a new disc format would be able to provide to beat a by then already well established Blu-Ray format? HDTVs will likely support 1080p and 7.x audio, so even higher specs seems to be overkill for 2012.

What would be the incentive to drop Blu-Ray disc for another disc format?

Combat piracy.

 

what you can pirate ps3 games and play them on a ps3 already =O?.. oh wait...

 



I'm not worried about Blu-ray failing to achieve a stable chunk of the market and I sincerely doubt most others will either after this upcoming holiday season.

This upcoming Christmas will be the biggest blu-ray selling season ever. HDTV adoption is slowly rising and it will be the first holiday season since Blu-ray became the HD standard.



It doesn't matter because the world ends in 2012 anyway..../sarcasm.

I think Bluray had an unpredictable future, it could become mainstream, it could become no more than a niche format used by only a small percentage of households, I don't see it getting the same penetration as DVD though.



The article is the usual post made by ex-HDDVD fanboys. Not only does it include the usual pointless "HDDVD was so much better than BluRay" comment, a dead giveaway for that kind of troll articles. But it also tries to get people to believe that DD will deliver the same quality as BRD and soon ...

It is funny how the angry supporters of a now dead format contradict themself.

1st they claim that DD HD is already sooo good ( talking about 1.5 mbit/sec itunes "hd" shows that is a joke, really) that BluRay won't be needed (remember, bluray offers a 40mbit/sec datarate for the video). And a few lines later they claim that upscaled DVD looks as good.

Ain't it funny? the 6mbit/sec DVD is claimed to look as good as the 40 mbit/sec BR, and at the same time the 1.5 mbit/sec wannabe HD DD stream is ALSO looking as good?

Talking about a split personality here? Get real, todays "HD" streams are a bunch of over-compressed low bandwidth expensive toy. They even fail to deliver the SD DVD quality of 6mbit/sec and that with a more than double pixelcount for the material if its only 720p. At 1080i its 6!!! times the data that is compressed with a lossy codec to fit into a stream that is only a quarter of what DVD offered. The picture quality of itunes HD is appalling. Especially compared to a BluRay version of the film.

The article also claims that a Sony rep said that BluRay is not good enough and won't be considered for a soon to be released follow up format. Way to spin a perfectly pro-BR interview into anti-BR propaganda by completely warping the statements of the rep to the opposite he was stating. The rep stated that BluRay is so good, it will be more than enough to even service the future 4k video format, therefor they DON'T NEED another format for the foreseeable future. And the comment about the next format not being BluRay was regarding the physics of the system. You can't get any smaller than with a blue laser diode. Hence there is NO PHYSICAL WAY for a optical disk to get more than bluRay. The rep stated that IF there would be a follow format someday in the future it will not be an optical disc, as optical disks reached the physical limits with bluRay.

Additionally the topic starter, being of the anti-bluray faction, claimed that there was a no win situation for Sony. Completely ignoring that BD managed to TRIPPLE its market share compared to DVD in less than a year. BD now stands for 12% of the home video marketshare after only 2 years to the market, rising faster than any other format so far.

PS: another counterpoint to the usual DD is teh futurez babble is that you can easily sell 500k BluRayDiscs for a homevideo launch, lets say Transformers3.5, on a single day. You only have to stock up in front and sell it at every store around. People can all buy it and watch it at the same time that day. Heck it wouldn't matter if 30 million people decided to watch a BRD movie at the same time, like a Saturday evening. But try to imagine 30 million people streaming movies at the same time from itunes .... via the crappy Internet lines people have. Filling up these bandwidth caps of comcast etc ...

Lets assume the BEST for you DD fans, lets assume in 2012 EVERYONE has a fibreoptic 50mbit Internet line at home. And lets assume HD streams will only stream at 20mbit/sec, thats HALF of what Bluray delivers in picture quality.

So 30 Million customers stream a 20mbit movie on a Saturday eve ... thats a mere 600Tbit (TERRABIT!!!) per second itunes would need to send through the backbones. Thats about 65 times the traffic the WHOLE WORLD INTERNET uses (roughly 2000-3000 PetaByte per month = about 9TerraBit/s)

Ok, obviously its impossible to stream at 20mbit to a grand number of clients, lets stay at the lousy ugly 1.5 mbit itunes "HD" version .. Sorry, but even at 1.5 mbit the Saturday evening would gross at around 4 times the traffic/sec of the WHOLE WORLD as of 2007.

Streaming HD movies will stay a niche product for the foreseeable future. The reason being that the needed bandwidth is just not there, and even IF it where, no single server farm or provider would be able to serve that amount of data.