I understand the Bias..it's everywhere..didn't you notice G4? they also hate the Wii
almost every hard-core game reviewer or journalist brings the Wii into a review randomly, just to bash it's brains..
it's okay...after the HD consoles die it'll all be fine ^_^
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I think you're missing the point, it's not that they all judge the same, or judge with the same toughness, it's a consistent pattern of always voting one system high and another low time after time. You may remember an incident at an olympics skating tournament where it became obvious that one judge would always give a perfect score to one particular country even if they fell several times while giving another very low score to groups from other countries even if they skated flawlessly. It lead to a complete overhaul of the scoring system, although it is arguebly still badly flawed.
No one is asking for perfect uniformity but if a magqzine gave SMG, Zelda, SSBB, MK Wii all 2 out of 10. Gave GTA IV, MGS and Elder Scrolls on the PS3 all 2 out of 10 and then gave Coffeetime Crosswords, Frogger II, and Pirates vs. Ninja Dodgeball on the Xbox all 10 out 0f 10. Would it cross your mind that they might have some slight bias towards the XBox?
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From the looks of it they are harder on the Wii than they are for the PS3 and XBox 360, and they may favour the PS3 to a certain extent, but they are far from being the most biased site on the internet.
Grampy said:
I think you're missing the point, it's not that they all judge the same, or judge with the same toughness, it's a consistent pattern of always voting one system high and another low time after time. You may remember an incident at an olympics skating tournament where it became obvious that one judge would always give a perfect score to one particular country even if they fell several times while giving another very low score to groups from other countries even if they skated flawlessly. It lead to a complete overhaul of the scoring system, although it is arguebly still badly flawed. No one is asking for perfect uniformity but if a magqzine gave SMG, Zelda, SSBB, MK Wii all 2 out of 10. Gave GTA IV, MGS and Elder Scrolls on the PS3 all 2 out of 10 and then gave Coffeetime Crosswords, Frogger II, and Pirates vs. Ninja Dodgeball on the Xbox all 10 out 0f 10. Would it cross your mind that they might have some slight bias towards the XBox?
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You see, I don't see a lower Wii average as inherently indicative of bias.
If I have to review 3lbs of shovelware, you can expect a consistently low average among them and those low scores will affect the larger population. Most people will acknowledge that the Wii is getting the most shovelware this generation as it is the most successful so it only makes sense for that to show in the average score area. That's not an insult to the great games the Wii has but rather just a reasonable expectation.
In fact, I would be more suspiscious of websites with high Wii averages. Are they not reviewing many Wii games? Do they just magically find only the good ones? Are they giving shovelware games high scores? Very odd.
| Grampy said: I think the sample was random since I took the first ten games listed in alphabetical order and I don't believe a game is affected by alphabetical position. !0 may or may not be significant given the relatibly small number of reviews available from any one magazine on any one platform. I was almost half way through the aplphabet in some cases but I doubt seriously that a larger sample is going to change things when 90% of the reviews are high. I do a lot of scientific research and while we of course use larger samples, patterns that show up this distinctly at ten random samples seldom cahnge that dramatically. It was enough of a sample to put IGN within .4 points of perfect average, significantly raising my faith in the reviewers at IGN. I also was impressed with how fair, even tough the fanboy publications were in comparison to Game Informer. That was a major surprise. My kudo's to their professionalism and balamce. If I can find the time I will do a more in detail analysis but I'm willing to bet Grandma's virginity that Game Informer won't improve significantly. I do judge Game Informer differently because they are owned and supplied by a huge retailer that uses them as an inducement to get customer loyalty. I think they carry therefore a greater burden to be fair than a completely independant source and certainly a Fanboy magazine; and yet they seem to under perform both. And what's the beef with the signature exactly? I spent several hours doing it. It was all meant in good fun but if it offends, I will certainly remove it. I've had it for several weeks and no one has complained before. |
The issue is that your doing pseudo-statistics, not real statistics, which deprives your results the theoretically proven descriptive capabilities of actual statistics.
You haven't "confirmed" anything because all your tests are statistically invalid.
Heck even calling them tests (all you've done is display different trends and never analyzed if the difference between the trends is mathematically significant) isn't correct.
Of course GI is bias. They've always been bias haha. They don't hide it either. It's blatant.
I agree that trends this marked at even 10 pieces of data aren't going to magically reverse themselves with a larger sample. It's sad to see a magazine so blatantly off the mark.
About the sig, Grandpa, could you speed it up. It looks awesome, it just goes SO slow.
I've thought this quite ssome time ago.
To the OP: I wish your sig would go a bit faster dude/dudet......
4 ≈ One
Game Informer has always been biased. It's such a crap magazine too. I get it in the mail because I have an edge card from gamestop but I don't even read it, it goes straight into the trash.
I laughed when they gave No More Heroes a 6/10 and complained that the game was too hard and too violent yet they gave GTA4 a 10/10.
| Wetcoaster said: Game Informer has always been biased. It's such a crap magazine too. I get it in the mail because I have an edge card from gamestop but I don't even read it, it goes straight into the trash. I laughed when they gave No More Heroes a 6/10 and complained that the game was too hard and too violent yet they gave GTA4 a 10/10. |
Wow, didn't know they did that. That's pretty damn blatant
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