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RolStoppable was clearly making an ad hominem which I found irritating. I simply expressed my disdain as such comments seem to be smiled upon while posts that actually have substance are frowned upon because it seems a lot of posters cannot concentrate when reading something that has more than two sentences.
You are also making way too many blanket statements and trying to force me into an absolute opinion.
You asked me if I think Wii owners are uneducated consumers but you implied I meant all of them. This is simply not true. The reverse is also not true. The situation is that lots of Wii owners are uneducated consumers and lots of Wii owners are educated consumers.
The ratio of uneducated consumers though is very high on the Wii. This does not mean 90%. It is no absolute figure. It just implies that there is enough of them that very bad games can also do well.
You then tell me that its hard to convince a girl to play Forza over Mario Kart. But this has nothing to do with what I am saying. I used the Mario Kart example to say that games with a Wii Mote are not automatically more innovative. You are now saying that other people might like Mario Kart more but this is irrelevant. Mario Kart is a good game and no one said otherwise.
As for the review thing. This too is also trying to pin me down to a mentality you extrapolated from my points. I never said casuals would enjoy 360 games more. I am saying that casuals don't like a lot of the shovelware that they buy. My parents are one of the people who bought Game Party and Jenga purely for the name. Did they like it, despite bad reviews? No they didn't. It was shovelware. On the otherhand, Mario Kart is a great example of casualizing a quality title. You assume that because a game sells well, it means that these people like it. Btw, GTA is a casual game. I don't know anyone in my family who doesn't like GTA. Its even got an autoaim system. They may never finish the game, but they have tons of fun just driving around and creating chaos and listening to the hilarious music stations.
Also the DS to PSP example is not a valid one. PSP and DS are handhelds, hence what determines its value is far beyond graphics and more to do with convenience. DS is much easier to use, has plenty of UNIQUE games that seperate it from a console/PSP experience(which is what the Wii needs to do), has a much longer battery life and is smaller and lighter. Its also easier to use. Have you tried monster hunter? You have to have your hand in the weirdest position to even play properly...
You also say that the Wii has a massive library thats more than the competitors. But this is not a credit to the Wii as a lot of the games are shovelware. You assume that quality titles will follow because of this when in reality, its just progressing normally. From all indications, quantity of games have not equalled to more quality of games. This is simply what happens when you have ZERO quality control. If the PS3 or 360 did the same thing, they would have more shovelware as well.
Also I never said I can't get over the Wii's graphics. I don't know where you got this impression. I said that the Wii has not been offering any strengths. Graphics and processing power has pointed out very clear strengths as we can see from the animation of characters this gen such as in games like Assassin's Creed and the number of enemies and weapons like in Dead Rising and generally just being very beautiful and immersive.
The Wii's advantages are not so clear. Some people prefer the Wii Mote while others prefer standard controllers. There is no clear consensus on whether motion controls are any better than regular controllers and nothing truly compelling has been made for the Wii Mote.
As for higher quality games selling, we do have proof. It doesn't need to be 90%'s. There are tons of 80% range games. The Wii in contrast has very few games that break 80% by third parties yet those games do not do well even without competition. This is also only part of the equation as the bad, low budget games do do well especially for cost and time invested.
The issue with tradional games(and one major one is coming, the Conduit), is that it will always be compared to its HD counter parts. IMO, NMH's wouldn't have gotten an 83% on an HD console. It would have landed itself in the 70% or lower range. I am willing to bet that despite reviewers saying that DR:CTYD is not as good as the 360 version, it will still get an 80ish% score simply because its on the Wii and you cannot mark it down for a lot of the things it can't do just like GoW2 cannot be ranked on its presentation and gameplay on a PS3 scale.
So the issue becomes that if you can get good sales on a traditional, quality game on the Wii, then making a superior version on another console will most likely gain you more sales and acclaim.
I think a lot of this can be cleared up once the next wave of Wii games come out. I think Motion + is gonna solve a lot of the issues that has made the Wii Motes advantages not so apparent and I think the next generation of Wii Games that utilizes this will finally start seeing more of the DS kind of success.
As for why I like the DS despite reviews, I never said I buy games based on reviews. I buy games based on fun and in the DS's case, convenience. DS offers many unique gaming experiences that I cannot find elsewhere and this is what the Wii lacks.
I am Mario.
