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windbane said:
gorgepir said:
ROMz said:
gorgepir said:
windbane said:

Upon reading the newest EGM issue, I came across a rather interesting rumor in the Quatermann section called Rumor Mill: "OK, the Wii is winning the console war right now -- no need to argue that one. But Sony may have a sneaky plan up its sleeve. I'm hearing it will repackage the Playstation 2 to compete with Nintendo by including a Woo Remote-like waggle wand for $99 this holiday season. Now let's just hope they don't call it 'Pii.'"

Yes, they would be copying Nintendo. However, this would be genius. Considering the Wii is about as powerful as an Xbox, and the previous generation was dominated by the PS2 despite the Xbox being more powerful, if you take away the only thing the Wii does better you have a real advantage.

Obviously, the disadvantage is that all Wiis have a wiimote already. However, at $99 the PS2 would have a far better library (the best in history of gaming...arguably?...if you so choose) and a much better price point for new Waggle users.

Also, you could just show how cheap the tech is and sell it for cheaper than Wiimote (and the upcoming Gun for Time Crisis).

This would effectively pit the PS2 against the Wii for the rest of the generation, and continue to spur Wii ports to the PS2, such as Rayman Raving Rabbids. The extremely high install base could easily buy a new controller for these games.


If this is true, in my opinion, sony has just gave up on PS3. Why would they focus on the last generation otherwise?


Wii IS last gen tech... LOLz


And you had motion sensing last generation?


Yes, the Eye Toy.

That is image processing, not motion sensing.

 



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windbane said:

Yes, they would be copying Nintendo. However, this would be genius. Considering the Wii is about as powerful as an Xbox, and the previous generation was dominated by the PS2 despite the Xbox being more powerful, if you take away the only thing the Wii does better you have a real advantage.

There are a couple problems with this.

1) What developers are going to suddenly decide to use the waggle control? My bet is, not many, and the ones who do ... well, I wouldn't be surprised to see the exact same game show up on the hottest new thing on the block with waggle control.

2) After all is said done, and support for the PS2 dies quickly within the next year or so, and all these waggle junkies are going to upgrade, what system will they go to? Probably the hottest new thing on the block with waggle control.

What's the hottest new thing on the block with waggle control?



Won't happen - it would surely hurt Sony too much (admitting Nintendo was right, Sony was wrong). Will damage the PS3, and boost Wii sales in the long term.

 - no existing games would support it

 - gfx on a PS2 SUCK compared to other consoles these days. It couldn't even handle a decent WiiSports type game.

 - sensor bar? Or would it have no pointer? With no pointer it IS a SIXAXIS controller (except for shape).

...

Sony would be better off to release their own "PS3Sports", that purely uses the Sixaxis movement - maybe in a shell of some sort. Then they could promote the better gfx, better online play, more content, etc. 



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windbane said:
gorgepir said:
Strange that you are looking forward to motion sensing and last generation graphics so much. Really strange. Having motion sensing and GOW? I thought you were against motion sensing and "previous generation graphics". I guess you are probably just being hypocrites.
I said it was my opinion. I don't think a company should think of the past. They should put all their support on PS3. You are entitled to your opinion (which in my opinion is definitely fanboyish), but to think that the PS2 will compete with the Wii? Really absurd. Maybe a better thing to say was if PS2 gets Wiimotes then it could compete with the PS3.
@ theshoe23 : WTF? do you really think like a 15 year old or are you really 15? Why would it hurt?

Hate to break it to you, but the PS2 already competes with the Wii. Many games on the Wii are ports from the PS2.


The PS2 is selling half of Wii in the US and is small in Japan.

http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php#hard

 http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php#hard

Do you think you can get away with such a thing on a video game tracking website? 



Being a little off topic but I heard a super typhon/cat3+ hurricane is headed to japan, back on topic, cant sony just make the controller work on the ps2 with motion controllls? WIhtout the game having the option?



 

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windbane said:

Wow.

Just...wow.

 

Edit: To answer your question that was prefaced by nonsense...it would be $150 cheaper at worst. That's why. Pack-in games and/or a cheap controller would also be a reason for existing PS2 owners.


The real nonsense in this thread is the existence of it in the first place. This rumor was already discussed about 2 weeks ago and debunked. The general consensus was that it would hurt Sony more than it would help them.



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shams said:

Won't happen - it would surely hurt Sony too much (admitting Nintendo was right, Sony was wrong). Will damage the PS3, and boost Wii sales in the long term.

- no existing games would support it

- gfx on a PS2 SUCK compared to other consoles these days. It couldn't even handle a decent WiiSports type game.

- sensor bar? Or would it have no pointer? With no pointer it IS a SIXAXIS controller (except for shape).

...

Sony would be better off to release their own "PS3Sports", that purely uses the Sixaxis movement - maybe in a shell of some sort. Then they could promote the better gfx, better online play, more content, etc.


Sony would be showing the Wii for what it is:  a more powerful gamecube with a new control scheme.  By pricing the PS2 at $99 for entry, if third parties are creating their games on a system that would actually sell games compared to Nintendo, it would be successful.

The Wii is as powerful as the Xbox, and the PS2 killed the Xbox last generation.  The big advantage of the Wii is the price, and that would go to the PS2.

Yes, it would have to have a pointer to get the Wii ports.  Just like the Time Crisis gun will have, except that one will have 2. 



gorgepir said:
windbane said:
gorgepir said:
Strange that you are looking forward to motion sensing and last generation graphics so much. Really strange. Having motion sensing and GOW? I thought you were against motion sensing and "previous generation graphics". I guess you are probably just being hypocrites.
I said it was my opinion. I don't think a company should think of the past. They should put all their support on PS3. You are entitled to your opinion (which in my opinion is definitely fanboyish), but to think that the PS2 will compete with the Wii? Really absurd. Maybe a better thing to say was if PS2 gets Wiimotes then it could compete with the PS3.
@ theshoe23 : WTF? do you really think like a 15 year old or are you really 15? Why would it hurt?

Hate to break it to you, but the PS2 already competes with the Wii. Many games on the Wii are ports from the PS2.


The PS2 is selling half of Wii in the US and is small in Japan.

http://www.vgchartz.com/aweekly.php#hard

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php#hard

Do you think you can get away with such a thing on a video game tracking website?


Just because the DS is outselling the PSP does not mean they don't compete, right?

The PS2 is competing with the Wii for budget-minded gamers.

The hype from the Wii would be dampened quite a bit with this move. 



Well, I just checked and was wrong, I guess it would be a good strategy for Sony to do this. Their PS2 sales are higher than PS3 sales and this could only increase it. Once again, in my opinion if they really do this, they show that they have gave up on PS3. Simple as that.



RolStoppable said:
windbane said:

Wow.

Just...wow.

 

Edit: To answer your question that was prefaced by nonsense...it would be $150 cheaper at worst. That's why. Pack-in games and/or a cheap controller would also be a reason for existing PS2 owners.


The real nonsense in this thread is the existence of it in the first place. This rumor was already discussed about 2 weeks ago and debunked. The general consensus was that it would hurt Sony more than it would help them.


Sorry, must have missed that topic.

Don't you Wii fanboys have anything better to do than troll in a Sony forum?