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spdk1 said:
I need to watch the debates before I chose who I'm voting for

 

Why?  They are both going to tell the same lies they've been telling up till now; the debates won't change anything.

You will get to see how they handle themselves in a televised debate with a moderator or questions from the "town-hall", but that doesn't compare to sitting in a closed room with congressional or world leaders.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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Snesboy said:
I am not voting for Obama because I don't agree with his socialist (read: communist) policies.

When someone has to use ill-logical slander like this, it only shows that they are not informed on politics in general nor do they fully understand what brand of politics they support.  Whenever someone calls a politician in a democratic country a communist or fascist, you can be sure that that person is not the sharpest tool in the shed.



superchunk said:
rocketpig said:

The difference being that Obama wanted a timeline no matter what shape the country was in.

Bush and McCain are now seeing the surge worked and that a pullout in 2010 or so is feasible.

One is reacting to a situation intelligently and with regard to Iraqi longevity, the other is selfish politicking.

Like I said, Obama wanted to pull out before the surge and fought against the surge. Now he wants to take credit for the idea of a 2010 pullout? Bullshit.

I never said I like 100% of Obama's ideas/stances. However, I like a hugely larger percentage than McCain's.

Things I dislike about Obama:

1. His stance against the surge and its now obvious successful period.
2. His stance on being pro-Israel. But, in reality every politician feels they have to thanks to AIPAC.
3. His stance on Ethenol and other fuels that would promote continued combustion engines. Electric FTW!, both are the same here.

Where as with McCain and his religious zealot VP I detest a lot of their stances.

No way, fuel cell FTW!

OT: Even though I'm not American, and so can't vote, I still think that Obama could turn out to be only a celebrity, I mean if he gets voted in on popularity, and then has no idea how to run one of the most important countries (read: American housing crash affecting entire world), then you're stuck with him for 4 years, is that not a serious problem?



superchunk said:
rocketpig said:

The difference being that Obama wanted a timeline no matter what shape the country was in.

Bush and McCain are now seeing the surge worked and that a pullout in 2010 or so is feasible.

One is reacting to a situation intelligently and with regard to Iraqi longevity, the other is selfish politicking.

Like I said, Obama wanted to pull out before the surge and fought against the surge. Now he wants to take credit for the idea of a 2010 pullout? Bullshit.

I never said I like 100% of Obama's ideas/stances. However, I like a hugely larger percentage than McCain's.

Things I dislike about Obama:

1. His stance against the surge and its now obvious successful period.
2. His stance on being pro-Israel. But, in reality every politician feels they have to thanks to AIPAC.
3. His stance on Ethenol and other fuels that would promote continued combustion engines. Electric FTW!, both are the same here.

Where as with McCain and his religious zealot VP I detest a lot of their stances.


McCain wants to get rid of the Ethanol Subsidies.



rocketpig said:
Superchunk, we're slowly handing over formerly violent segments of Iraq (Fallujah, for example) to the Iraqi government.

Progress is being made. It's not as if we're just dawdling in the country and hoping for the best. After all, the Iraqis don't exactly want us to stay there forever.

If there's a setback, I don't want to see a mandatory timetable put out there so that we end up leaving the Iraqis with their dick in the wind and Iran knocking on the door. If there is no progress in 2010, it might be a different matter but as it stands now, the country is slowly coming together. I see no need to forcibly enact a date for withdrawal.

 

Yeah... I think it's insulting when people insinuate that Iraq WANTS us there like some Mom doting over her slacker kid.

They don't want us there.  They need us there.  It's a big difference.

When they do polls in iraq... they find that over half the population hates that the US is there... and an even higher percentage hates the thought that we would leave.

I get to be all self righteous about it too because I was against the war in the first place... and didn't think the congress would be stupid enough to do it.



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Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
rocketpig said:

The difference being that Obama wanted a timeline no matter what shape the country was in.

Bush and McCain are now seeing the surge worked and that a pullout in 2010 or so is feasible.

One is reacting to a situation intelligently and with regard to Iraqi longevity, the other is selfish politicking.

Like I said, Obama wanted to pull out before the surge and fought against the surge. Now he wants to take credit for the idea of a 2010 pullout? Bullshit.

I never said I like 100% of Obama's ideas/stances. However, I like a hugely larger percentage than McCain's.

Things I dislike about Obama:

1. His stance against the surge and its now obvious successful period.
2. His stance on being pro-Israel. But, in reality every politician feels they have to thanks to AIPAC.
3. His stance on Ethenol and other fuels that would promote continued combustion engines. Electric FTW!, both are the same here.

Where as with McCain and his religious zealot VP I detest a lot of their stances.


McCain wants to get rid of the Ethanol Subsidies.

 

Frankly, that's a good thing. Ethanol is so short-sighted it's unbelievable. It requires so much land, land that is either used for forest (combat global warming), or food, so with ethanol it's either fuel, the earth, or food. There are other alternatives the US should be pushing for.



Tispower1 said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
rocketpig said:

The difference being that Obama wanted a timeline no matter what shape the country was in.

Bush and McCain are now seeing the surge worked and that a pullout in 2010 or so is feasible.

One is reacting to a situation intelligently and with regard to Iraqi longevity, the other is selfish politicking.

Like I said, Obama wanted to pull out before the surge and fought against the surge. Now he wants to take credit for the idea of a 2010 pullout? Bullshit.

I never said I like 100% of Obama's ideas/stances. However, I like a hugely larger percentage than McCain's.

Things I dislike about Obama:

1. His stance against the surge and its now obvious successful period.
2. His stance on being pro-Israel. But, in reality every politician feels they have to thanks to AIPAC.
3. His stance on Ethenol and other fuels that would promote continued combustion engines. Electric FTW!, both are the same here.

Where as with McCain and his religious zealot VP I detest a lot of their stances.


McCain wants to get rid of the Ethanol Subsidies.

 

Frankly, that's a good thing. Ethanol is so short-sighted it's unbelievable. It requires so much land, land that is either used for forest (combat global warming), or food, so with ethanol it's either fuel, the earth, or food. There are other alternatives the US should be pushing for.

I agree getting rid of Ethanol is a good thing. 

Just stating the point that he's against it.  Also there seems to be some proof that it isn't even helping the enviroment due to all the oil it takes to make the stuff... and it's lower efficency.  Now Sugarcane Ethanol.. at least has enviromental benefits.

The UN also thinks it's part of the global food crisis and call biofuels "Criminal."

McCain is also for less combustion energy as it is... promoting Nuclear electricity over Obama's plan for Coal Electricity. (like bush!)

Obama's energy policy is basically the biproduct of the lobbyists he picked up in Illnois.  Big coal and ethanol companies are going to gain a lot from Obama's incresed importance placed on those fuels.

One of the countries biggest Ethanol and Coal producers.  Though i'm not sure how that relates to car engines.



Kasz216 said:
Tispower1 said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
rocketpig said:

The difference being that Obama wanted a timeline no matter what shape the country was in.

Bush and McCain are now seeing the surge worked and that a pullout in 2010 or so is feasible.

One is reacting to a situation intelligently and with regard to Iraqi longevity, the other is selfish politicking.

Like I said, Obama wanted to pull out before the surge and fought against the surge. Now he wants to take credit for the idea of a 2010 pullout? Bullshit.

I never said I like 100% of Obama's ideas/stances. However, I like a hugely larger percentage than McCain's.

Things I dislike about Obama:

1. His stance against the surge and its now obvious successful period.
2. His stance on being pro-Israel. But, in reality every politician feels they have to thanks to AIPAC.
3. His stance on Ethenol and other fuels that would promote continued combustion engines. Electric FTW!, both are the same here.

Where as with McCain and his religious zealot VP I detest a lot of their stances.


McCain wants to get rid of the Ethanol Subsidies.

 

Frankly, that's a good thing. Ethanol is so short-sighted it's unbelievable. It requires so much land, land that is either used for forest (combat global warming), or food, so with ethanol it's either fuel, the earth, or food. There are other alternatives the US should be pushing for.

I agree getting rid of Ethanol is a good thing. 

Just stating the point that he's against it.  Also there seems to be some proof that it isn't even helping the enviroment due to all the oil it takes to make the stuff... and it's lower efficency.  Now Sugarcane Ethanol.. at least has enviromental benefits.

The UN also thinks it's part of the global food crisis and call biofuels "Criminal."

McCain is also for less combustion energy as it is... promoting Nuclear electricity over Obama's plan for Coal Electricity. (like bush!)

Obama's energy policy is basically the biproduct of the lobbyists he picked up in Illnois.  Big coal and ethanol companies are going to gain a lot from Obama's incresed importance placed on those fuels.

One of the countries biggest Ethanol and Coal producers.  Though i'm not sure how that relates to car engines.

Nuclear power is a good choice for the time being, while other technologies are so far behind.

Yeah, I think I'd agree with the UN there, I think it's incredibly selfish for rich countries to use valuble food land just so they can have a bigger engined SUV, when people in poorer countries starve.

I would help the enviroment if it was planted on land that wasn't absorbing Co2, but it's likely that it will be planted where forest or farmland used to be.

 



Kasz216 said:

I agree getting rid of Ethanol is a good thing. 

Just stating the point that he's against it.  Also there seems to be some proof that it isn't even helping the enviroment due to all the oil it takes to make the stuff... and it's lower efficency.  Now Sugarcane Ethanol.. at least has enviromental benefits.

The UN also thinks it's part of the global food crisis and call biofuels "Criminal."

McCain is also for less combustion energy as it is... promoting Nuclear electricity over Obama's plan for Coal Electricity. (like bush!)

Obama's energy policy is basically the biproduct of the lobbyists he picked up in Illnois.  Big coal and ethanol companies are going to gain a lot from Obama's incresed importance placed on those fuels.

One of the countries biggest Ethanol and Coal producers.  Though i'm not sure how that relates to car engines.

 

You mean Obama is going to cave to lobbyist? How is that change? He is just like the rest of them, a politician (and thus worthless).



I'm not voting for either, but only because I'm too young. :(
But I would vote for Obama because:
I'm an extreme social liberal and fairly liberal economically
I agree with most of his positions
I don't want the possibility of a Republican court
We don't need more of the failed policies from the last 28 years

It's time for a Democratic nation.