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mesoteto said:
this game will be made by people that are really good at making levels and if they decide to limit who can play them...you will have death of the game

i am afraid that what will end up happening is tons of ok levels but nothing stellar unless you know the right people and you will quickly lose people wanting to play

kinda like an top tier class will have all the great levels and most of the good levels then you will get just some random crap for everybody else

i think they can do copy right but make it a times thing, you can only hold the level for so long then it goes out to the world to play

 

 Well you'd just be wrong then.

Unreal is a prime example of people putting out their content for everyone to share.



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i like the idea.



@TheRealMafoo & LOL,

You guys don't see how adding even the option to restrict is a restriction? Ok it's very simple...is more or less content going to be restricted as a result of this feature? I think the answer is a pretty obvious "more". That means that without this option I would have access to more content than I would without it...my access has been restricted...by definition.

As I said before if you guys want to argue that these restrictions will only be used sparingly and only for the good of the community then I won't object to the idea...I'm not sold on it but I do hope you're correct. But please don't sit there and try to convince people that restrictive features are really not restrictive because they are optional. People will have less content as a direct result of this, there is simply no way around that.

@Lafiel,

I don't see how, I never said I was going to give up on the game, just that I'm going to prepare for the worst. If anything pessimism is a survival technique. But really this is an off-topic discussion, so lets just agree to disagree.



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Once you add a "can't" in describing a game there is a restriction, what if lots and lots of people start putting restrictions on their level cause they are pissed off at the community (we know theres lots of emo players that want to screw people). Then we have a wide spread trend of restrictions. People that won't play the game much may just make some levels and just give it to their friends and thats all, won't be added to the whole community.

I don't fully understand what that copyright does but what I gather from this thread that customizing other peoples levels and the trading of levels will be restricted on some points.



Endz said:
Once you add a "can't" in describing a game there is a restriction, what if lots and lots of people start putting restrictions on their level cause they are pissed off at the community (we know theres lots of emo players that want to screw people). Then we have a wide spread trend of restrictions. People that won't play the game much may just make some levels and just give it to their friends and thats all, won't be added to the whole community.

I don't fully understand what that copyright does but what I gather from this thread that customizing other peoples levels and the trading of levels will be restricted on some points.

Too bad its not you cant do something but you can. They aren't saying "You cant have control of your creations" They are saying "You can have control" More options for us. More customization. More control. More fun. Less restrictions.

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Sqrl said:
@TheRealMafoo & LOL,

You guys don't see how adding even the option to restrict is a restriction? Ok it's very simple...is more or less content going to be restricted as a result of this feature? I think the answer is a pretty obvious "more". That means that without this option I would have access to more content than I would without it...my access has been restricted...by definition.

As I said before if you guys want to argue that these restrictions will only be used sparingly and only for the good of the community then I won't object to the idea...I'm not sold on it but I do hope you're correct. But please don't sit there and try to convince people that restrictive features are really not restrictive because they are optional. People will have less content as a direct result of this, there is simply no way around that.

@Lafiel,

I don't see how, I never said I was going to give up on the game, just that I'm going to prepare for the worst. If anything pessimism is a survival technique. But really this is an off-topic discussion, so lets just agree to disagree.

 

You won't know these levels exist I'd assume. You aren't going to have a list of things and need to sort out all the levels to find out which one you can play. So it isn't effecting you not playing a level you don't know anything about. You'd just have to download something else that you will have fun with (Or might waste your time but same goes for a level I restricted from you) In which case you can't be like "damn i wish i could play that level instead" because you wont even know its there.

If I went up to you and just said "No, you can't have a drink of my pepsi"

You'd be like "...Uh... Ok...? WTF? Whatever." You wouldn't care because you don't know what I am talking about because you don't know who I am and you didn't know there was a can of pepsi that you were possibly be able to drink from

But if a can of pepsi was sitting right in front of you and you looked very tempting in taking a drink then I said "Nope it's mine you can't have it" Then I am restricting you

Also you say it's going to give you less content.

A. I don't think so. I think the amount of content you'll have will be so over bearing you wont give 2 craps about some of these levels restricted to you and that you wont have possibly enough time for you to play them all in 10 lifetimes.

You would have an arguement with the "less content" IF you were able to get through every one of these levels and then at the end the only ones left are the restricted ones.

and

B. I think it will give people more incentive and encourage more people to create levels and do it more often being in conrtol of their work. Thus letting people get more comfortable with the idea of putting more content out and giving them a chance to work with the builder more becomming better at level designs.



mesoteto said:
this game will be made by people that are really good at making levels and if they decide to limit who can play them...you will have death of the game

i am afraid that what will end up happening is tons of ok levels but nothing stellar unless you know the right people and you will quickly lose people wanting to play

kinda like an top tier class will have all the great levels and most of the good levels then you will get just some random crap for everybody else

i think they can do copy right but make it a times thing, you can only hold the level for so long then it goes out to the world to play

There's a difference between protecting your level so people can't just go steal a part of your work and call it their own while still letting everybody be able to download and play it and making a level or doing a percentage of the work in a collaboration and restricting access to the level to the people working together until it's complete. There's also the example of making your own level and keeping it private for you and your friends.

 

 



I think you took the wrong message here,

The OP states that the copyright feature is making parts (or maybe even all?) of your created level to be available to EVERYBODY, but they just can't edit them. Thus, if a guy makes a level, he can make upload it but not allow other people to perhaps take a chunk of his level, copy and paste it, and then say it's their work.

Restricting them means that you can select a few people who you want the level to be available to, not to ban one person from downloading. A more likely scenario would be that you have a couple of people working together and making one level over the PSN. By putting the level on PSN and restricting it (and thus, making it private), only the intended people can download and work on their respective areas of the level or at least that's my interpretation.



KylieDog said:
What is to stop making a level that requires one of those keys, then just spamming the key to everyone except some guy they don't want to join?


All people will do is just re-create the maps from scratch anyway without copyright, thus going completely around the problem, making the problem pointless to include in the first place.

 

 A. ... the first example you used in your first post doesnt sound right because this game isnt on of those types of games.

B. Your understanding of the game is very small...



so i can i just download levels and copyright stuff in it?



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