^ It didn't affect the world's economy, but it was a HUGE attack on US soil and the fact that it was against civilians is what makes me pissed off about it...

P.S. I'm doing my combinatorics HW so that would explain my ridiculous posting and reply speed.

^LOL...yeah that snuck up on me

Off course, bombing civies is wrong. That's also why I briefly mentioned that Georgia's take on the situation was wrong aswell. Still, the whole of S.Ossetia was part of the combat zone. Gori for instance was not.

And I tried to declare that neither side should have asked for intervention. Neither side should have taken up arms. Georgian and S.Ossetian leaders should have sat around the table to discuss independence and if that doesn't help, go to the UN. Let an international judge decide. Perhaps they have tried (Ossetians wanted to split from Gerogia as early as 1995 if I remember correctly) but none of the newsoutlets I've consulted mentioned this.

@Ziss:

I've already raised a point concerning Kosovo: That independence wasn't soaked in bload and didn't involve millitairy action from a foreign power. And more importantly, wasn't soaked in blood. If Russians came in on request of both parties to keep the peace then no one complained, but instead they became an un-asked occupational force far away from the initial combat zone without any reason apart from "buffering" which to me sounds like occupation with a nicer ring to it.

The country's you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Only Yugoslavian regions demanded independence and the west stepped in to try and stop the genocide on both sides. But I'll humor you with a rundown of the country's:

Vietnam: Most of the world including the majority of the US citizens where against 'Nam. The US got involved merely because the Southern parts asked for their aide.

Korea: Almost the same as Vietnam in that the US was asked to help (including a lot of other western nations) only this time it was to fend of the North.

Iraq: Majority of the world didn't approve, including me.

Afghanistan: Funny you should mention this one... how long did Russia fight in Afghanistan? Nearly 18 years right? What was the reason for that again? Ow yeah, I believe they didn't want to be oppressed by the Soviet Union. The US went in to prosecute the people behind 9/11. Totally different reasons altogether.

Off course, bombing civies is wrong. That's also why I briefly mentioned that Georgia's take on the situation was wrong aswell. Still, the whole of S.Ossetia was part of the combat zone. Gori for instance was not.

And I tried to declare that neither side should have asked for intervention. Neither side should have taken up arms. Georgian and S.Ossetian leaders should have sat around the table to discuss independence and if that doesn't help, go to the UN. Let an international judge decide. Perhaps they have tried (Ossetians wanted to split from Gerogia as early as 1995 if I remember correctly) but none of the newsoutlets I've consulted mentioned this.

@Ziss:

I've already raised a point concerning Kosovo: That independence wasn't soaked in bload and didn't involve millitairy action from a foreign power. And more importantly, wasn't soaked in blood. If Russians came in on request of both parties to keep the peace then no one complained, but instead they became an un-asked occupational force far away from the initial combat zone without any reason apart from "buffering" which to me sounds like occupation with a nicer ring to it.

The country's you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Only Yugoslavian regions demanded independence and the west stepped in to try and stop the genocide on both sides. But I'll humor you with a rundown of the country's:

Vietnam: Most of the world including the majority of the US citizens where against 'Nam. The US got involved merely because the Southern parts asked for their aide.

Korea: Almost the same as Vietnam in that the US was asked to help (including a lot of other western nations) only this time it was to fend of the North.

Iraq: Majority of the world didn't approve, including me.

Afghanistan: Funny you should mention this one... how long did Russia fight in Afghanistan? Nearly 18 years right? What was the reason for that again? Ow yeah, I believe they didn't want to be oppressed by the Soviet Union. The US went in to prosecute the people behind 9/11. Totally different reasons altogether.

I would advise you both watch The Fog of War. Japan was already burnt to the ground. In fact the US chose Hiroshima and Nagasaki because they were relatively untouched specimins. Perfect locations to test the new weapon.

If you had any idea what the repurcussions were for nuclear fallout, ridiculously high cancer rates, deformities, etc maybe you would think its a little extreme for a response.

@Esmoreit

Now you write that these countries have asked the U.S. to intervene ... and it is normal for your ... and if Ossetia has asked Russia to intervene in the conflict that is no longer normal ...
If you still do not understand, it is Georgia attacked Ossetia, to kill peaceful people including the Russian peacekeepers ... Georgia tanks giving women and children, cut and burned houses of civilians ... and those who are hiding in basements, so throwing grenades ... this is normal? and that Russia should have been done? watch as killing innocent civilians including Russians?
Afghanistan - this is a big mistake Soviet Union, not Russia ... no need to confuse, so different things ... but apparently the United States is not learned anything ...
no one can conquer Afghanistan! none ...
9 / 11 - do you really think that the events of 9 / 11 terrorists had planned Islamists? cutting the eye, is all the work of U.S. special services ... the greatest farce government against its people in particular ...
All this was done for world support and to justify the invasion of other states under the pretext of searching and destroying terrorists, as well as for imposing its military bases around the world ...

It was heads of state in Vietnam, Korea and Yugoslavia who asked to intervene, these weren't rebels or rioters. If the Georgian president asked the Russians to intervene then it would have been ok as this is the head of state asking for aide in a national crisis. As it stands now the Russians went in uninvited, violating borders with a militairy force.

See it this way. If I invite you to my house for a party I would not be surprised to find you at some point in my fridge. If I did not invite you but you came barging in my door to raide my fridge for all it's worth it's then decide to set up camp in the living room that  is something else entirely. In this case brake-in and enterning.

As for Afghanistan... don't kid yourself. Putin, Medvedev, they where all politicians during the Soviet era. They are schooled in that culture and the mentality is still pretty much alive there in the Kremlin. Apart from the fact that you can now buy a coke, cars made by GM and people can actually make profit doesn't mean the mentality has changed. As long as the people in government, in society still hold the same values, a name change for a country doesn't mean anything.

Also, none of the country's present in Afghanistan intend to conquer it.

In an earlier post I already mentioned that Gerogia did not handle the Ossetian conflict well... this is the third time I mentioned it but then still, it should be up to UN overseers to investigate instigations by Ossetians. Actually, by turning to mother Russia I think the Ossetians have made it harder for themselves to be declared independent by the rest of the world. If Russia hadn't stepped in then Georgia would have been the sole aggressor thus taking the blame and the international community would find it more logical to place the region under Russian control.

As not to go off-topic I will not go into inane complot-theories concerning 9/11.

It was heads of state in Vietnam, Korea and Yugoslavia who asked to intervene, these weren't rebels or rioters. If the Georgian president asked the Russians to intervene then it would have been ok as this is the head of state asking for aide in a national crisis. As it stands now the Russians went in uninvited, violating borders with a militairy force.

See it this way. If I invite you to my house for a party I would not be surprised to find you at some point in my fridge. If I did not invite you but you came barging in my door to raide my fridge for all it's worth it's then decide to set up camp in the living room that  is something else entirely. In this case brake-in and enterning.

As for Afghanistan... don't kid yourself. Putin, Medvedev, they where all politicians during the Soviet era. They are schooled in that culture and the mentality is still pretty much alive there in the Kremlin. Apart from the fact that you can now buy a coke, cars made by GM and people can actually make profit doesn't mean the mentality has changed. As long as the people in government, in society still hold the same values, a name change for a country doesn't mean anything.

Also, none of the country's currently present in Afghanistan intend to conquer it.

In an earlier post I already mentioned that Gerogia did not handle the Ossetian conflict well... this is the third time I mentioned it but then still, it should be up to UN overseers to investigate instigations by Ossetians. Actually, by turning to mother Russia I think the Ossetians have made it harder for themselves to be declared independent by the rest of the world. If Russia hadn't stepped in then Georgia would have been the sole aggressor thus taking the blame and the international community would find it more logical to place the region under Russian control.

As not to go off-topic I will not go into inane complot-theories concerning 9/11.

@Esmoreit

Then you can tell me why the western media did not say no word about that Georgia attacked Ossetia and there is genocide Ossetian people?

The "genocide" was mentioned here in the Netherlands (dunno if you consider this West enough) and I have mentioned it three times now if you care to read my posts thoroughly enough. I just don't call it genocide, but police-actions. Rather messy ones at that. The reason is, genocide means racial killings, mass-murder to cleanse a race or place. I highly doubt the Georgians seeked to stop the rioting of Ossetian millitia by simply eradicating everyone there.

True, throwing grenades in basements without checking is dispicable and Georgia would have recieved major backlash if word got out. But by Russia's invasion these acts simply don't hold a candle to that. Russia drew such attention by clearly invading a country that anything preceding the this invasion like the  police actions in Georgia where overlooked.

Also I find it rather insulting that you do not attempt to go into my other points. Why couldn't the international community handled it? Why couldn't russia wait for approval? Why are they trying to re-instigate sattelite states?