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javierdacosta said:
ckmlb said:
Foetoid said:

A $100 price cut is nothing if there is a more powerful console which is cheaper with better online gaming and more games to play. Wii60 FTW!


Except with one you're getting free online and a high definition dvd player for 100 dollars lol sounds like a better deal to me.

If you want to count the full price of the 360 premium or elite you gotta add 50 bucks a year to actually use that magnificent online gaming.

New PS3 price= 500 $

Elite- 480$ + 50 $ = 530$

Premium- 400$ + 50 $ = 450$

Core- 300$ + 50 $ + 50$ (memory card to actually save) = 400$

Remember those 50 dollars are not a one time deal either, it's every

 

Is it me or you always says the same thing, and I always answer the same thing, yes xbox live is 50 usd PSNis free, I prefer paying 50 usd for a real on line service that not having one at all, and by the way Sony already anounced that PSN is not going to be free for long.

 


 PSN not free?  Proof please. 

 $50 + good > free + nothing : : : We'll see about that when LBP hits.  

For the record, I would rather pay $500 (or $600 like I did in December) for a PS3 that will heat my goddamn house but not burn out than pay $400 or $480 for a console that eats my games for breakfast and explodes if I breathe on it wrong.  (Thankfully my 360 hasn't died or killed any discs yet but I have had some scratched and I consider myself very lucky.) 

 

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The fact of the matter is that the ps3 is more powerful than the 360.



 

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>Think about this for a second, out brians work in-order, if our brians worked out of order we wouldnt be able to make a choice to actually do something, so how does it make sense that Out-of-Order is better for decision making?
In-Order processing is way better at branch processing because it takes all variables present and chooses the best way to accomplish set task.
>The program you clicked first will start first. This stops all hiccups in the overall processing of the data. Even though now OSX can run on Out-Of-Order (well since early to mid-2006) processes the OS forces the data through in-order.



thors1982 said:

Foetoid said:
I know it's all about the games, thats why i own a Wii

WHAT?!?!  you own a Wii because of games?  I realize you own other things as well... thats line just blew me away

My roomate and I have all three systems and we play the Wii the least.  Don't get me wrong its one of my favorite systems.  But there no games worthy of buying, unless your a mini game freak.  Which apparently I am not.



 

 LOL. People like thors1982 crack me up. Minigame compilations on the Wii, thats hilarious. Last i checked, there were 4 of them. Wii Sports (not really a mini game compilation) Wii Play, Rayman Raving Rabbids and Mario Party 8. OH NOOOOOO, 4 GAMES ARE MINI-GAME COMPILATIONS. What a tool. There is something like 60+ Wii games available at the moment and 4 of them are Mini-game compilations. I currently own Zelda, Tony Hawk Downhill Jam (after finishing every other Tony Hawk game ever made, this is easily the best one IMO), Wii Sports, Wii Play, Resident Evil 4 (Wii Edition) Mortal Kombat Armageddon and Mario Strikers Charged Football (great online). I hear it all too often people spouting about how the Wii only has mini-games and it's pathetic. This doesn't even include my 14 GC games and 7 Virtual Console games. I can't even find enough hours in the day to finish and enjoy all the games i have on the Wii, the 360 doesn't even get looked at anymore lol.



leo-j said:
The fact of the matter is that the ps3 is more powerful than the 360.

Absolutely. Anyone who says the 360 is more powerful just doesn't have their facts straights. The PS3 is just at this point farther away from it's real potential than the 360 is.



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ssj12 said:
montrealsoon said:
>>Also on the in-order and out-of-order processing. In-Order processors could easily be stronger if software was coded to work In-Order like the Mac OS.<<

I don't see this at all. My understanding is that "out of order" processors have extra silicon to lower the "cost" of jumps made by non-predicted decisions (comparisons), whereas "in order" processors have to make the expensive flushing of the pipeline to continue down the unexpected path.

OUT OF ORDER: faster for decision making
IN ORDER: better for strictly processing (copy's, math's, etc)

An OS won't make decision handling disappear...


Think about this for a second, out brians work in-order, if our brians worked out of order we wouldnt be able to make a choice to actually do something, so how does it make sense that Out-of-Order is better for decision making? In-Order processing is way better at branch processing because it takes all variables present and chooses the best way to accomplish set task.

Take Windows XP and OSX Tiger

Windows XP boots up out-of-order meaning whatever program hits the processor first when pulled out of the HDD randomly has to be processed. Thats why during boot up theres higher chances of blue-screens or Explorer.exe crashing. This also makes it so that the computer has to re-process data while booting up programs and the OS itself.

OSX Tiger runs in-order making it so that during boot up it goes one part of the OS at a time making it so that it starts software it a precise order. The OS loads all the none visual components before starting the main GUI(theme). So when you start a number of programs at the same time, lets say GAIM, Xfire, and Firefox. The program you clicked first will start first. This stops all hiccups in the overall processing of the data. Even though now OSX can run on Out-Of-Order (well since early to mid-2006) processes the OS forces the data through in-order.

 

At pixelsword - dont bother I ripped it apart already.


@SSJ12

You got no clue what you're talkin about!

I can't believe you are a Journalist at PSU, posting crap like this!

Do they really pay you, like you claim?

Sorry, after reading this ridicioulous post, i won't/can't take anything you'll ever post serious!

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-order_execution

In computer engineering, out-of-order execution, OoOE, is a paradigm used in most high-performance microprocessors to make use of cycles that would otherwise be wasted by a certain type of costly delay. Most modern CPU designs include support for out of order execution.

IO/OoO got nothing to do with Mac OS !

OoO is a (optional) feature of the hardware (CPU), not software.

An application or OS can't run in order or out of order, either.

You might be able to speed up execution by optimizing the application, not the OS !

To clarify this: OoO speeds up execution tremendously but comes with 3 disadvantages

all because of the additional "silicon" needed:

- It's more expensive in fabrication

- It's more power consuming

- It's more complicated, resulting in lower clockspeeds

Thats why all the PPCs in consoles are in order!

@montrealsoon:

Im glad im not the only one, noticing his nonsense!



Diomedes1976 said:
Plus some of the remarks are directly false .The SPUs have each 256 Kb ,there are eight of them so you have basically 2 MB of cache instead of the X360 1Mb .Plus after the interview with Ninja Theory it became pretty aparent that each SPU can access the cache of each one of the others SPU if you want to .

 The memory on the SPEs are not cache... they are "working memory".  Your code and objects are placed in this memory and ran completely seperate from the rest of the chip (and 256K is a lot of room to work in)  The Cell doesn't need cache as badly as the 360 since the memory to the Cell is running at clock speed and every SPU and the PPU all have memory controllers.

 Other than that, everyone has pretty much said why this article is bunk.



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Diomedes1976 said:
Bdbdbd .....in fact the Cell and RSX excel at Floating Point Operations per Second ....thats for graphics and sound related things .X360 chips ,on the other hand ,are PC-style chips that are best suited for general purpose aplicattions .So X360 should be better if you were to run Excel or Powerpoint with it ,but thats not what we are speaking about here is it ?


Its curious how the xbots FUD spreads and leaves information frozen in time as it interests them .For example the RAM use of the OS that has been decreased from 96 Mb to 52Mb in the 1.8 firmware (and will be reduced further in next developments ) .....that will remain as 96 Mb in the Xbots book for PS3 bashing for the ages and the ages .When in 15 years someone discusses wich was a better machine ,the PS3 or the X360 ,there will be sure be some X720 supporter claiming the OS of the PS3 consumed 96 Mb ......

What i was meaning was, that we can pull out any theoretical numbers and after all they don't mean a shit, when theoretical values aren't possible to achieve and performance of these two systems is so close to each other. Both systems are very powerful and their full (achievable) power will never be used. But if it makes someone to feel good, when proving that his own system is the most powerful, that fine with me.

Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Memory es equal in both plattforms (512 Mb each ...altough differently distributed ) .

 

lol...

 

very technical!!!! 



@ Foetoid

I am not going to read that article. IBM who designed both the XBox 360 and PS3 CPUs states the Cell is overall multiple times more powerful (at specific uses up to tenfold or more) and there's a higher efficiency rate as well. I attended a Cell presentation by IBM a couple of years ago, they've really put by far most effort in designing the Cell processor.

Also note that 1 SPE on the PS3 is used exclusively for the GameOS/XMB, on the XBox 360 its GameOS has to share much more CPU time with games. This means GameOS/XMB features can more easily be expanded without affecting game performance.



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