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I read that article, and it's a scam article

I'm at work now, so I can only go into it a little, but in one part they give the adjusted triangles for the PS3 and they don't give the adjusted triangles for the 360. There are several other things in it, and when I get off of work, I'll read the article again and break it down.



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montrealsoon said:
>>Also on the in-order and out-of-order processing. In-Order processors could easily be stronger if software was coded to work In-Order like the Mac OS.<<

I don't see this at all. My understanding is that "out of order" processors have extra silicon to lower the "cost" of jumps made by non-predicted decisions (comparisons), whereas "in order" processors have to make the expensive flushing of the pipeline to continue down the unexpected path.

OUT OF ORDER: faster for decision making
IN ORDER: better for strictly processing (copy's, math's, etc)

An OS won't make decision handling disappear...


Think about this for a second, out brians work in-order, if our brians worked out of order we wouldnt be able to make a choice to actually do something, so how does it make sense that Out-of-Order is better for decision making? In-Order processing is way better at branch processing because it takes all variables present and chooses the best way to accomplish set task.

Take Windows XP and OSX Tiger

Windows XP boots up out-of-order meaning whatever program hits the processor first when pulled out of the HDD randomly has to be processed. Thats why during boot up theres higher chances of blue-screens or Explorer.exe crashing. This also makes it so that the computer has to re-process data while booting up programs and the OS itself.

OSX Tiger runs in-order making it so that during boot up it goes one part of the OS at a time making it so that it starts software it a precise order. The OS loads all the none visual components before starting the main GUI(theme). So when you start a number of programs at the same time, lets say GAIM, Xfire, and Firefox. The program you clicked first will start first. This stops all hiccups in the overall processing of the data. Even though now OSX can run on Out-Of-Order (well since early to mid-2006) processes the OS forces the data through in-order.

 

At pixelsword - dont bother I ripped it apart already.  



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I am waiting on E3 and/or released games which have clearly superior graphics than the 360. I have seen 50 different people with very convincing arguments on the subject. The 360 arguments have been a fair bit better because they have evidence backing them up. Not one PS3 game I have seen has been clearly better in graphics than the 360. So I am waiting on some games.



DarkD said:
I am waiting on E3 and/or released games which have clearly superior graphics than the 360. I have seen 50 different people with very convincing arguments on the subject. The 360 arguments have been a fair bit better because they have evidence backing them up. Not one PS3 game I have seen has been clearly better in graphics than the 360. So I am waiting on some games.

 I'm waiting on seeing the final build of Warhawk. The beta apparently isnt even close to the game's final look. 



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What does it realy matter in the long run? The wii is the least powerful of the bunch and that hasnt hurt its popularity. I think it depends on the game designer and the people who make the game rather then the hardware they produce it on. I have seen great games on the xbox360 and some not so great games on it but never did I think wow if they just had a more powerful system they could have done so much more with it.

I do think its fun to kick the ball around but most of these kinds of discusion end up as flame bait. The ps3 and xbox360 are both powerful and im sure we will see many games take advantage of that, just like some games will not.



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Foetoid said:

This has always fascinated me. Sony spout out every time they opened there mouths, but there was a large group of techies who pulled apart the specs and came up with this analysis:

 http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

 

Make sure to read every page. If you're too lazy, the article goes on to prove that the 200 gigaflops of processing power at 100% efficiency Sony say the Ps3 can pull is BS. During testing, a maximum of 75% efficiency was achieved, which severly limits the numbers. Then they announced on 6 of 8 spu's are for gaming, so thats another 25% reduction in power. Real figures end up being closer to 80 gigaflops. Furthermore the 360 uses less system ram for the OS, reads information faster from a disk than the ps3 does with blu-ray and the graphics chip in the 360 makes the Ps3's graphics chip look like a voodoo2 by comparison. The whole article is an excellent read for anyone interested in the truth about the power figures. Feel free to spread the link around a few other forums, get the word out to stop the lies from Sony. A $100 price cut is nothing if there is a more powerful console which is cheaper with better online gaming and more games to play. Wii60 FTW!


I read through the entire article. It was quite well written but it is also very out of date. It states that the PS3 OS has a 96mb footprint. this is no longer the case. SDK notes for firmware 1.8 showed that the XMB now only has a 52mb footprint.

The article also comes to the conclusion that while neither the cell or the triple core can reach thier theoretical maxium perormances (they give estimates for realistc cell performance but not triple core) the cell still comfortably out performs the triple core.

It also compares the Xenos to the RSX and comes to the conclusion the the Xenos is more powerful. While this is correct it is not a valid comparison with regards to the graphics ability of the 360 Vs PS3, since the RSX is meant to be used in conjunction with several SPEs. This is the reason many multiplatform games look inferior on the PS3. The developers are using the RSX by itself and have to scale down from the Xenos. This is one of the biggest faults I can find with SCE at the moment. The fact that they have only just got round to releasing the proper Dev tools, PS edge, thatshow people how to properly use the SPEs. This should have been done 6 months before launch and not 6 months after.

I will also point out that the article itself comes to no conclusion as to which is the more powerfull.



These are always so funny.

The 2 systems are really so close to each others, that it is practically impossible to say which one is more powerful. In some cases PS3 beats 360 and vice versa. Also you have to remember, that they are designed to different purposes. Cell is pretty much optimal processor for multimedia devices, that are supposed to do different things simultanously, 360:s CPU is better for gaming.

It's so funny to see those "theoretical values" (as Sony stated), when we compare 360:s "theoretical values", which takes 360:s CPU-core to about 231 TFLOPS versus PS3:s 220.
Overall (in practise) PS3 propably has more power, but for gaming, they are pretty much even, beating each other only depends on which one the game has been designed.



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ckmlb said:
 

I thought you were referring to online games. Anyway check the PS3 lineup for the fall.


actually i was referring to online gaming...online gaming to me (and to the vast majority of gamers) is basically FPS (mostly)and then RTS, RPG and racing games and so far PS3 line-up in those categories isn't comparable to X360's.

 

My question is: will Sony set up a comparable line-up in time for this holiday season? free online gaming if you can't offer interesting games is quite a pointless feature, isn't it?



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Foetoid said:
I know it's all about the games, thats why i own a Wii

WHAT?!?! you own a Wii because of games?  I realize you own other things as well... thats line just blew me away

My roomate and I have all three systems and we play the Wii the least. Don't get me wrong its one of my favorite systems. But there no games worthy of buying, unless your a mini game freak. Which apparently I am not.



Bdbdbd .....in fact the Cell and RSX excel at Floating Point Operations per Second ....thats for graphics and sound related things .X360 chips ,on the other hand ,are PC-style chips that are best suited for general purpose aplicattions .So X360 should be better if you were to run Excel or Powerpoint with it ,but thats not what we are speaking about here is it ?


Its curious how the xbots FUD spreads and leaves information frozen in time as it interests them .For example the RAM use of the OS that has been decreased from 96 Mb to 52Mb in the 1.8 firmware (and will be reduced further in next developments ) .....that will remain as 96 Mb in the Xbots book for PS3 bashing for the ages and the ages .When in 15 years someone discusses wich was a better machine ,the PS3 or the X360 ,there will be sure be some X720 supporter claiming the OS of the PS3 consumed 96 Mb ......