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Jo21 said:

 

sony doesn't only make video games.

they won the war, blu ray will pay itself up.

they own a movie studio.

they have their own tv channel.

they are one of the biggest electronic brands.

-many things they do i don't know LOL

Don't forget SONY-BMG lol.

(LBP will be huge)

 

 



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astrosmash said:
aavidbacon said:
But not if compared to the other plataforms. While n64 greatest weakeness was the cartridge choice, the wii has a perception to the public as a worse plataform. It maybe very powerful, but that´s the perception. There a two powerful reasons to wii success, the mistique around the new joystick and the price, as it´s the cheaper console. In my humble opinion, the price is the main reason, as 299 is very cheap for a new gen console.
If for any reason, the ps3 price droped and nintedo didn´t act in the same direction, they would be selling similar numbers.

 

Wii was selling for a profit from day one and still sells at that same price. The PS3 was selling for a huge loss at launch and has had many large price cuts in under two years. How is it you figure that Sony is going to be able to put any price pressure on Nintendo in the next three years?

 

There is no price cut either of the HD consoles could make that Nintendo couldn't match; their units cost less to manufacture on day one, and will have benefited from much greater economies of scale. The reason Nintendo hasn't participated in the price cut derby up until now is that they have been selling Wiis as fast as they can make them.

 

Now this isn't saying that Nintendo won't match price cuts as the cost of the other consoles gets closer (see Xbox), but I can guarentee you if wiis start selling slower and Nintendo determines its a price issue, there will be a price cut on the Wii that the HD consoles couldn't possibly match.

 

 

Man, you got me wrong. The wii can be matched in price. The x360 is sellig it´s cheaper sku bellow wii price, only because that´s not hurting nintendo sales. In the minute they sense they´re not selling enough, they will cut the price. I think that they can put the wii at a $129, easilly. They won´t because it´s sold out at $300.

My point was, when you compare the ps3 and the wii, the big difference between their sales is price. If the wii and ps3 were at the same price, ps3 would be selling 20%-10% less than wii, not 50%, or 66% like in Japan.

 



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The thing is, the N64 deserved to win. It had a brilliant ratio of great games to bad games (mainly because it had a small library) while the PS1 had some masterful games but soooooooooo many bad games.

Does the PS3 deserve to beat the 360 and Wii....? I hate to say it but the jury is still out. Sony need to pull their fingers out in Japan for a start.



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mrduckbear said:

not only that, but the PS3 has to compete against 2 competitors where-as the N64 only had to contend to 1.

Nintendo was on top of the console wars with NES and then SNES, but moving on with N64 knocked them down to a distant second. But if you look at it, the PS3 isn't doing as bad as N64 and Sony isn't forgotten as quickly as Nintendo was back then.

 

The only way we will really know is if someone takes the time out to see how much each console has shipped / sold to date for the 1st 2 years.

Anyone saying the PS3 has cost lots has to also understand that it is Sony who lost money on making the console and Sony is also making it back from various sectors not just the PS3, unlike the N64 who just had itself to make money back from.



Consoles are more expensive these days then the good old days. N64 had only a few great games, PS1 had most of the great games back in those days. PS1 was Cd based console. N64 shot itself in the foot by being a cartridge based console and N64 has weak third party support. Only good companies on N64 were Nintendo and Rare who made the great games for N64.



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Spankey said:

on't forget SONY-BMG lol.

(LBP will be huge)

 

 

 

That's gonna be only Sony Music Entertainment by the end of the year I believe.

 

People like to talk shit about how bad the N64 sold, but Nin made a profit that generation if I'm not mistaken and 33 million units + at least 49 million sellers ( likely more, missing and outdated data) = one succesful console.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
Haha, for the worse? The Wii has better graphics, better controls, better 3rd party support, better sports games, a better Mario platformer, a better Zelda, ONLINE, and better casual-centric games than the N64 or GC.

The improvement in hardware, interface, and software lineup have led to greater sales, you silly goose.

Mario 64 was the revolutionary one.

How can the Wii have a better Zelda, when the Wii version is just a port of the Game Cube version?

 

 



Tease.

One thing I don't get out of reading all this, is people saying the N64 wasn't so hot in the games department. I think it's one of the best when it comes to games.



aavidbacon said:
astrosmash said:
aavidbacon said:
But not if compared to the other plataforms. While n64 greatest weakeness was the cartridge choice, the wii has a perception to the public as a worse plataform. It maybe very powerful, but that´s the perception. There a two powerful reasons to wii success, the mistique around the new joystick and the price, as it´s the cheaper console. In my humble opinion, the price is the main reason, as 299 is very cheap for a new gen console.
If for any reason, the ps3 price droped and nintedo didn´t act in the same direction, they would be selling similar numbers.

 

Wii was selling for a profit from day one and still sells at that same price. The PS3 was selling for a huge loss at launch and has had many large price cuts in under two years. How is it you figure that Sony is going to be able to put any price pressure on Nintendo in the next three years?

 

There is no price cut either of the HD consoles could make that Nintendo couldn't match; their units cost less to manufacture on day one, and will have benefited from much greater economies of scale. The reason Nintendo hasn't participated in the price cut derby up until now is that they have been selling Wiis as fast as they can make them.

 

Now this isn't saying that Nintendo won't match price cuts as the cost of the other consoles gets closer (see Xbox), but I can guarentee you if wiis start selling slower and Nintendo determines its a price issue, there will be a price cut on the Wii that the HD consoles couldn't possibly match.

 

 

Man, you got me wrong. The wii can be matched in price. The x360 is sellig it´s cheaper sku bellow wii price, only because that´s not hurting nintendo sales. In the minute they sense they´re not selling enough, they will cut the price. I think that they can put the wii at a $129, easilly. They won´t because it´s sold out at $300.

My point was, when you compare the ps3 and the wii, the big difference between their sales is price. If the wii and ps3 were at the same price, ps3 would be selling 20%-10% less than wii, not 50%, or 66% like in Japan.

 

If the Wii and PS3 were the same price then either (i) PS3 won't have a Blu Ray drive built in, won't have cell and would not do 1080p resolution and would not have graphics to match 360 or (ii) Wii would have a HD DVD drive built in, would have the most amazing motion controller ever (Wii Motion plus won't even be able to compete) and would have the graphics at least as good as 360.

If I could fly then I would be using my skills to make money rather than typing this from my desk at work.  If today was Saturday then I would be out having fun rather than being stuck at work.

IF ONLY SONY FANBOYS WOULD STOP BANGING ON ABOUT THIS PRICE ISSUE.  I FEEL LIKE BANGING MY HEAD ON A WALL EACH TIME I HEAR IT.  If the executives at Sony were so arrogant and short sighted as to think everyone that bought a PS2 would buy a PS3 irrespective of the price and would get two jobs to do so then that's their problem.  Let's stop living in a fantaasy world.  The reality is that Wii cost $250 and PS3 costs whatever the heck it costs. 

 



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