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that was a really good read to be honest, a lot better thne the rest of the trash that scrawls its way onto the scene



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This has been said before, but since you obviously did a lot of work, I won't flame you, or own you in any way. This topic largely gets a Zenfoldor pass:

However, let me just comment on a few things. First let me say that FFXIII is being developed exclusively for the PS3 right now, and then will be ported over. It's good that great games like this go multiplat, even if it does piss you off. You bought your console on the assumption that FF would be exclusive, and buying a PS3 was the only way to play it. That was your assumption. If Sony endorsed it, you should be mad at them, not Microsoft. It doesn't matter if Microsoft paid or not, if they did, it should make you more pissed as Sony for not matching their offer. There is no evidence that they paid, however.

The HD consoles aren't selling as well as they should be. Therefore, many 3rd party games will go multiplat. This is good for gamers, even you. You'll get more games for your PS3. The game doesn't magically turn from good to bad when it gets a 360 port. That's just your fanboyism making you think that. Fanboys will always like exclusives more than multiplats. They have to hype them up, so they can justify their console purchase, and entice others.

As far as those "full specs of the PS3" that's a talking point, always has been. There is virtually no discernable difference between the HD consoles graphics, never has been, never will be. That was a myth perpetrated by Sony, that less knowledgable gamers still cling to. The PS3 isn't gonna magically unlock itself one day. Last wave PS3 games aren't gonna magically destroy last wave 360 games. The consoles have very similar graphics. Only a fanboy would disagree with that. Also, Blu-Ray isn't really needed for gaming, it's a marketing tool. Acting like changing discs is an issue is again, a faux complaint. LO has 4 discs, and changing them took me about 30 seconds, for a 40 hour game. It was alright with FFVII, it's alright now. Pretending that it makes a large difference is again, fanboyism.

I'm simply stating my opinions here, nothing more. A more thorough commentary will not be forthcoming, because again, you've worked hard. Examine things a little more carefully, when you make a large post like this and you won't fall under scrutiany. I'm afraid you might see some trolling on this topic.



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

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NightstrikerX said:
forevercloud3000 said:
NightstrikerX said:
I say it's this simple. If you want to play and enjoy the game, buy it. Multiplat just means more people can enjoy the game, and share experiences from it. Xbox 360 and PS3 alike. At this point, there is nothing we, the consumer can do. Square-Enix made their decision, obviously a decision that had alot of thought and attention put into it, and was made most likely months prior to E3. So we just need to simply accept it. Move on, and enjoy it on whatever system you want.

Will this affect sales any? Yes, but having thing game can only improve sales, for BOTH systems. I say its win/win!

 

true, it is good that both get to enjoy the game. But why this game? Why not something that did not have the weight of PS3 riding on it's back? At the E3 conference they said the decision was VERY recent. So months is probably out of the qeustion. Especially seeing as they have not started at all. The game has made many promises as stated in OP, the anouncement of a 360 version broke every single one of them. That is NEVER a good thing...

And sales of the consoles will be effected. PS3 sales will not be as much as expected on day of release for FFXIII now that I would say about 25% of it's fanbase can now play it on a system they already own or is cheaper for them to get. Thats not fair, thats not fair at all, for sony at least. 360 sales I see staying pretty much the same tho so they are still on the upside of this situation.

Underhanded if you ask me. THis has turned to a cock fight instead of a business, measured by who is in the lead.

While this does seem rather unfair in the perspective of sony and PS3 owners. You have to look at the business from both ways. This is a rather pinnacle point in the development of gaming, new ideas are coming and replacing some of the old ideas. Square-Enix just wants to make sure they have the money and the support they need to contiune to make great games in the future. If this means they need to expand their area of influence to multiplatform titles, then that is entirely their choice.

I'd rather see Final Fantasy 13 selling ALOT more copies overall on both systems, than selling fewer on one, or the other. If square-enix was being picky about which one they would make the game for. Then I would bet 5 dollars they would port the entire game to xbox 360 for the larger american userbase. But they don't seem to be picky about which one they want, they just want to ensure they make a decent profit off this game. So they can continue to make more games in the future.

In the business world, you cannot let politics between businesses stand in the way of money. Because that is what it all boil down too, if sony cannot cough up the cash to keep a game exclusive, or if square feels their game will be more successful multiplat. Then so be in. I look forward to upcoming games for all 3 systems by square-enix.

 

 

Politics between businessess: Now thats my point. This whole move is nothing but another political struggle. Firstly I have never been one to believe that MultiPlat brings in more sales. It brings in a slight bump but that it only comparable if that same game were to be exclusive to a platform it would have made the same amount cuz the fans of said game would have bought the system for it. Take the Halo, Mario example from my OP for example. Do you think mario on other systems is gonna make a significant increase compared to it being exclusive? NO! Thats becuz the FANS bought the corresponding sytem for it. And everyone under the sun knows that the FF fans WERE INDEED GOING TO BUY  a PS3 for it. They had no real say so in the matter. PPl keep playing the situation as if someone was gonna miss out on it, not the case. The few 100 thousand that will be playing ffxiii on 360 were all potential PS3 buyers, Id say only 10%(ball park est) of those would have actually just given up on the series instead. Do you see my point?

The above also implies that SE is not making a SIGNIFICANT increase in profit (unless u count what MS gave them for it). I see it like this.....

FFXIII Exclusive: PS3 sales-5mil, FFXII sales-10mil(Total:10 million FFXIIIs sold)

FFXIII MultiPlat: PS3 sales-2mil, FFXIII on PS3-6mil, 360 sales-1mil, FFXIII on 360-4.5mil(Total:10.5million FFXIIIs sold)

End Result: .5 increase over total sales, loss of actual video game quality, pissing off of loyal fanbase, broken ties between allied companies......PRICELESS



      

      

      

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Munkeh111 said:
It will not affect the quality of the PS3 version, as that will have been finished by the time that the 360 version is being started

That's pretty much the way I see it. PS3 version won't go down in quality, but in all honesty, that doesn't necessarily mean 360 version will be noticeably inferior (I mean, look at DMC4 and Burnout, the difference between those games on 360/PS3 is so minimal ingame that I doubt most people would notice).

Depending on how powerful CELL really is, they may actually think to change some of the gameplay systems mechanics in order to make it possible on both system. HIGHLY unlikely though, since I doubt the CELL's real world power (not just numbers on a page) is enough to make that happen AND/OR I doubt FFXIII will be so advanced that it'd push CELL or even the Tri-Core to it's limits.

 

 



I don't know if I can agree with you when you have a problem with Microsoft buying exclusives? What is the problem with that? It guarantees the publisher a certain amount of money and PS3 will get it anyway. I don't see why you think "money hatting" is a bad thing to do.



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I have to disagree with that Wii part of it starting at a "sweet" spot. 200 is the sweet spot. The Wii is 250, and there won't be a price drop at all this year. I'm starting to wonder if the Ps2 was the same price as the Wii at this point in their lifetimes.


Anyways, other than that, good read. Now, I'm going back to watch South Park.



forevercloud3000 said:
NightstrikerX said:
forevercloud3000 said:
NightstrikerX said:
I say it's this simple. If you want to play and enjoy the game, buy it. Multiplat just means more people can enjoy the game, and share experiences from it. Xbox 360 and PS3 alike. At this point, there is nothing we, the consumer can do. Square-Enix made their decision, obviously a decision that had alot of thought and attention put into it, and was made most likely months prior to E3. So we just need to simply accept it. Move on, and enjoy it on whatever system you want.

Will this affect sales any? Yes, but having thing game can only improve sales, for BOTH systems. I say its win/win!

 

true, it is good that both get to enjoy the game. But why this game? Why not something that did not have the weight of PS3 riding on it's back? At the E3 conference they said the decision was VERY recent. So months is probably out of the qeustion. Especially seeing as they have not started at all. The game has made many promises as stated in OP, the anouncement of a 360 version broke every single one of them. That is NEVER a good thing...

And sales of the consoles will be effected. PS3 sales will not be as much as expected on day of release for FFXIII now that I would say about 25% of it's fanbase can now play it on a system they already own or is cheaper for them to get. Thats not fair, thats not fair at all, for sony at least. 360 sales I see staying pretty much the same tho so they are still on the upside of this situation.

Underhanded if you ask me. THis has turned to a cock fight instead of a business, measured by who is in the lead.

While this does seem rather unfair in the perspective of sony and PS3 owners. You have to look at the business from both ways. This is a rather pinnacle point in the development of gaming, new ideas are coming and replacing some of the old ideas. Square-Enix just wants to make sure they have the money and the support they need to contiune to make great games in the future. If this means they need to expand their area of influence to multiplatform titles, then that is entirely their choice.

I'd rather see Final Fantasy 13 selling ALOT more copies overall on both systems, than selling fewer on one, or the other. If square-enix was being picky about which one they would make the game for. Then I would bet 5 dollars they would port the entire game to xbox 360 for the larger american userbase. But they don't seem to be picky about which one they want, they just want to ensure they make a decent profit off this game. So they can continue to make more games in the future.

In the business world, you cannot let politics between businesses stand in the way of money. Because that is what it all boil down too, if sony cannot cough up the cash to keep a game exclusive, or if square feels their game will be more successful multiplat. Then so be in. I look forward to upcoming games for all 3 systems by square-enix.

 

 

Politics between businessess: Now thats my point. This whole move is nothing but another political struggle. Firstly I have never been one to believe that MultiPlat brings in more sales. It brings in a slight bump but that it only comparable if that same game were to be exclusive to a platform it would have made the same amount cuz the fans of said game would have bought the system for it. Take the Halo, Mario example from my OP for example. Do you think mario on other systems is gonna make a significant increase compared to it being exclusive? NO! Thats becuz the FANS bought the corresponding sytem for it. And everyone under the sun knows that the FF fans WERE INDEED GOING TO BUY  a PS3 for it. They had no real say so in the matter. PPl keep playing the situation as if someone was gonna miss out on it, not the case. The few 100 thousand that will be playing ffxiii on 360 were all potential PS3 buyers, Id say only 10%(ball park est) of those would have actually just given up on the series instead. Do you see my point?

The above also implies that SE is not making a SIGNIFICANT increase in profit (unless u count what MS gave them for it). I see it like this.....

FFXIII Exclusive: PS3 sales-5mil, FFXII sales-10mil(Total:10 million FFXIIIs sold)

FFXIII MultiPlat: PS3 sales-2mil, FFXIII on PS3-6mil, 360 sales-1mil, FFXIII on 360-4.5mil(Total:10.5million FFXIIIs sold)

End Result: .5 increase over total sales, loss of actual video game quality, pissing off of loyal fanbase, broken ties between allied companies......PRICELESS

I agree that yes, fans would buy a wii for mario, expecting mario games to be on it. Same with Halo, while that is a valid point. It doesn't change the fact I make in my original post. Square-Enix made their decision with this, let it be weeks ago, or months ago. I will assume they were in the talking about it months before the actual decision was made, a decision like changing a game from exclusive to multi-plat is not something to take lightly. What we say here won't change anything. So I appreciate your passion in defending the game. You just need to look at it logically.

Yes its now multiplat, will it cause a loss in PS3 quality. No, of course not. Will this decision prevent you from buying it on a PS3? No, it will not. Will this decision allow MORE people to buy it? Yes, it will. Will this decision sell more consoles. Yes, more consoles will be sold, both Xbox 360, and PS3.

PS3 may suffer a loss on overall sales, but with power-games like LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2 coming out soon. Is this such a huge deal? Besides, Final Fantasy Versus 13 should be PS3 exclusive. Which is set in the same Final fantasy 13 universe, Xbox 360 user's playing Final Fantasy 13. Who are impressed by it, may just be pushed enough to buy a PS3 and Final Fantasy Versus 13 if the game is that good.

As for the arguement behind multiplat games selling less consoles. I cannot think of ONE example of a game that sold less because it was multi-platform. Thats the whole idea of multi-platform games. To make your game easily avaiable therefor it can be bought and played by MORE people.

 



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ZenfoldorVGI said:

This has been said before, but since you obviously did a lot of work, I won't flame you, or own you in any way. This topic largely gets a Zenfoldor pass:


Thanks for not flaming me, lol! I really apreciate it...


However, let me just comment on a few things. First let me say that FFXIII is being developed exclusively for the PS3 right now, and then will be ported over. It's good that great games like this go multiplat, even if it does piss you off. You bought your console on the assumption that FF would be exclusive, and buying a PS3 was the only way to play it. That was your assumption. If Sony endorsed it, you should be mad at them, not Microsoft. It doesn't matter if Microsoft paid or not, if they did, it should make you more pissed as Sony for not matching their offer. There is no evidence that they paid, however.

Actually it was SE who continued to promise that to me, not Sony(sony would never do that to me, lolz XD). And the moneyhatting bothers me just as it should everyone, becuz there can be no good in a world where games are not made exclusive or multiplat becuz it can better a game but rather so one company can cock flail the other. Which is exactly what Microsoft is doing. I kno it prob is not intentional but, why was none of this said when 360 was getting all those exclusives to themselves? This kind of remark is only made once Sony looses an exclusive.

The HD consoles aren't selling as well as they should be. Therefore, many 3rd party games will go multiplat. This is good for gamers, even you. You'll get more games for your PS3. The game doesn't magically turn from good to bad when it gets a 360 port. That's just your fanboyism making you think that. Fanboys will always like exclusives more than multiplats. They have to hype them up, so they can justify their console purchase, and entice others.

The reason why ppl like me stress exclusivity so much is that excusives push the envelope. That is just something a multiplat CANNOT do becuz the developers are pressured to make them "identical"(which SE said the two will be at E3)so not to anger either side, even though this is exactly what has been happening with developers on PS3s side. Yea, SE tried to change their statement at the last minute and say the PS3 version is unphased but it already is. Its release is being pushed back AND the game is not as good as it COULD have been(this I kno cuz to attempt to make a game using full potential of a system renders porting impossible, MGS4 anyone?)

As far as those "full specs of the PS3" that's a talking point, always has been. There is virtually no discernable difference between the HD consoles graphics, never has been, never will be. That was a myth perpetrated by Sony, that less knowledgable gamers still cling to. The PS3 isn't gonna magically unlock itself one day. Last wave PS3 games aren't gonna magically destroy last wave 360 games. The consoles have very similar graphics. Only a fanboy would disagree with that. Also, Blu-Ray isn't really needed for gaming, it's a marketing tool. Acting like changing discs is an issue is again, a faux complaint. LO has 4 discs, and changing them took me about 30 seconds, for a 40 hour game. It was alright with FFVII, it's alright now. Pretending that it makes a large difference is again, fanboyism.

Graphics are not everything and was not the point I was trying to make. There are other aspects in the background that simply make a game better than just graphics. The two HD systems graphics are comparable, yes, but not the same. PS3 has that edge however minimal it might actually be. PPl keep downplaying BluRay as if it does not matter. In that case Why doesn't DVD look as good as BD? It is becuz the less compression, the sharper the image, as well as internal architecture of the system.BD is 50GB compared to 9GB DVD which leaves plent of room to set uncompressed animation on. But like I said, graphics are not everything. There is also the cell. It is something one cannot understand unless they play a game as great as MGS4 which utilizes it. You see how it makes the game run smooth and silky. How the graphics are seamless and beautiful. The cell is used in the most powerful supercomputer in the WORLD right now, that says it right there.

I'm simply stating my opinions here, nothing more. A more thorough commentary will not be forthcoming, because again, you've worked hard. Examine things a little more carefully, when you make a large post like this and you won't fall under scrutiany. I'm afraid you might see some trolling on this topic.

 

Thinks again for addressing a sensible post and not being a troll about it but I still do not agree with your points. I have responded accordingly to each of them in this post.

EDIT:

Forgot about ur bluray theory. Yes LO was indeed 4 discs long. But what if their was an RPG on PS3 such as LO or FF that could fill 1,2,3 BD discs? The potential to be GREAT is there. That is something the 360 cannot copy. There is simply NO WAY the 360 could port a game that used even 2 bluRay discs. And making a game multiple discs is not easy. If a game has an overworld map and stuff if that cant fit in the 9GB than the whole game is SCREEWED. just thought i would add that



      

      

      

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@Forevercloud: So the fanboy excuse today is instead of "inferior ports", "port spoiling both versions"?

As some have already pointed out, PS3 version will be ready before they start the 360 version, so the 360 port will not effect the PS3 version.

And if a game has higher profile, it will benefit from multiplatform releases. Let's take RE4 as an example. I seriously doubt it would have reached GC+PS2+PC+Wii numbers on GC alone. And GTA4 would propably have had lower numbers too without being multiplatform. The EA:s multiplatform sports games would lose a shitload of sales if they would be exclusives etc...



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