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I admit I also enjoy great graphics. I spend a fair amount of money every so often upgrading my PC because of it. (Running an ATI 3850 512mb currently, spent $200 on it a few months before the prices dropped)

Yet I admit spending $400 on a console to play Valkyrie Chronicles (VERY INTERESTED) just isn't worth it to me.
Spending $200 (next month) on a 360 arcade becomes *moderately* tempting, until I consider Microsoft's reliability issues (I don't have any faith in their hardware yet).



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Liar said:
I guess the Wii does a good job with motion sensing. Look all those yellows and reds.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/

I mentioned PS2 also.

Don't need to make your trolling so evident. 17/17 of your newly created account are just pure garbage...

How many of these trolls are going to spout shit in this thread? They keep on coming.



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horriblebastard said:

So what you're saying is that the Wii can have amazing games as long as it does not (primarily) receive ports of PS3, XBox 360 or new PC games?

Not really. I don't think it helps when the Wii gets cut down versions of games on other platforms, but then what are devs to do? If you only own a Wii you would probably rather have the option of buying a game than not.

My opinion in a nutshell is: -

1. Graphics alone can never make a game good.
2. Good graphics are an element that can make a game better.
3. Wii games generally look like crap on a HDTV compared to other systems.

I'd guess that in general, most people would agree with 1 and 2. Problem is you get this graphics Vs. gameplay debate that's not really relevant when you can have both.

The thread is only about graphics and I think they're definitely a weakness in the Wii's case. I suspect that nobody would be complaining if the Wii was HD, and I also suspect that many of the HD naysayers will change their tune entirely if the Wii2 is HD capable.

It's that simple, let the haterz hate and watch the money pile up.

Unless it's piling up in your bank account I don't see why you care. "Haterz" - lol. MS make more money than Nintendo in general so they must be teh WINNAR!!


The thing about that is; to core Wii owners (Core - appreciate the value or that platforms product by constantly demanding software, they express this with every purchase.) PS360 doesn't have great gameplay. To you it does, like I was saying to each their own. Point is the install base numbers show that more people want HD, but by 2009 that's probably going to change. If you ask a Wii owner to enjoy CoD4 they would, it's a game after all, and it's not a bad one. But what goes on in their mind if they like that kind of game to begin with would be: "This would be awesome with wiimote controls." If you asked them about the graphics, they'd tell you "The characters look shiney, why is that? But I like the desert area."

Those statements are in quotes - because in anecdote I'm reffering to Wii owners who I've had play my CoD4 - to those guys who aren't even to my knowlege forum board junkies PS3 (CoD4) graphics isn't a selling point, in actuality it's a non-factor.

That's the reason why The Conduit's developers claim that the market for the realistic shooter isn't being appreciated on the Wii, they are modestly probably expecting to sell 500k copies of that game, if you look at even the most recent shooter MoHH2 the graphics on that game are near N64 level character models and early PS2 textures, of course it's a psp port.

You can but it's wrong to assume that everyone likes or considers something relavant just because you do.

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Why would people appreciate realistic shooters ?

Realistic = slow --> boring
Realistic = real weapons --> boring
Realistic = 1 hit kills --> boring
etc

I nearly went asleep on my keyboard while playing COD4 for 30 minutes. Then I opened UT 3 and I was like whoa, finally I'm having some fun.

If people like realistic shooters so much then they should just go outside and play paintball with much better graphics than any console lol.



 

dib8rman - You only bolded part of my sentence and you took it out of context to make your point.

to core Wii owners PS360 doesn't have great gameplay.

How do you know this? Have you asked them all? Games are what have gameplay, not consoles, so unless you have played every game on those systems - including the huge library of downloadable titles, many of which are casual friendly - then you cannot possibly come to that conclusion.

You are misusing the word "core" too. Nintendo apologised to the core gamers after E3 for showing nothing that interests them. Nintendo's established fanbase are the ones that are gonna be the most disappointed unless they pull their fingers out and start making some new titles that appeal to them.



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Liar said:
This Wii isnt the much more powerful than the Gamecube. The Wii games will only look 1.5 better than GC games. Its nothing impressive compared to the 360. This is the year 2008, not 2001. Motion sensing has been done on the PC before. The wiimote ruins games. Hell Resident Evil 4 Okami and Zelda are better on the Gamecube or PS2.

 

So... You're either a troll or you take your screen name too seriously.

 

I find motion controls fun. If you don't, then I feel sorry for you, because they're gonna be the new control style for gaming.



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Hehe. GameCube was standing next to XBox in certain strides, sometimes better, sometimes worse, but by tech experts they were seriously in a dead heat and tie for actual performance on screen.


I'll bet it's the name issue. If we were discussing XBox graphics power we wouldn't be using a 1.5x as powerful analogy. Instead, we're using some sort of GameCube1.5 analogy.


Let's realistically assume:
GameCube = XBox potential.

Therefore, Wii = 1.5 XBox's.

That said, even though probably more like 3 XBox's, the entire tone of the conversation would change. All one with the attempt to belittle "Wii power" is to mention GameCube, and they feel so good about it. But, read up any real graphics reports, and GameCube wasn't exactly behind.... if not ahead in a few key areas, but lacking a few others.

So, while looking back on GameCube as the Wii, it's easy to dismiss the fact that Wii blows the snot out of PS2's power and blows XBox pretty well out of the ballpark. But, you can just ignore that, and, ya know, troll.



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horriblebastard said:
dib8rman - You only bolded part of my sentence and you took it out of context to make your point.

to core Wii owners PS360 doesn't have great gameplay.

How do you know this? Have you asked them all? Games are what have gameplay, not consoles, so unless you have played every game on those systems - including the huge library of downloadable titles, many of which are casual friendly - then you cannot possibly come to that conclusion.

You are misusing the word "core" too. Nintendo apologised to the core gamers after E3 for showing nothing that interests them. Nintendo's established fanbase are the ones that are gonna be the most disappointed unless they pull their fingers out and start making some new titles that appeal to them.

 

oh...trust me...we know...any Wii gamer doesn't like the gameplay of the other games..PD will always have a place in my heart...but I'm not gonna play with a crappy N64 controller again...any new shooter HAS to use IR aiming...the Wiimote owns all

 

I don't give a damn if LBP is awesome...but after playing it for a while..the first question will be 'what if ....with wiimote...'

it's a logical question...the Wiimote in itself brings so many possibilities...there's no need for buttons anymore...or hardly...just A and B...all the rest of the interfeca can be on the screen..

 

you truly sound like a fanboy ^_^



Simple I don't have to ask them all, 30 million Wii's tell me that 30 million people bought Wii's, regardless of what they think of the console that's 30 million people with Wii's.

Now who's throwing statements out of context? I'm speaking about the ones who buy software not the ones who don't which by the way in a string of articles today, (which was common knowledge to anyone on this site) NPD disclosed that the Wii sells nearly double (it's getting there even faster with every console sold.) the software of PS3 and a little less than double to the Xbox360. That means you'd have to add up the HD install base total software sold from 07-08 fiscal years to say what I said above, which is that for now, your correct in saying, more gamers preffer HD console values over Wii's values.

Probably before you were born people have been considering "what is game play." the software can be played sure, but (let's pull a Bill Clinton) what is play? The game is nothing more than electronic information on some medium, in the past consoles used to in your hands, then the controler become part of the player while the console was it's own entity. In fact the name controller means it is what controls or is used to control, Wii-mote is changing that to (slowly) motion control, in other words your body does the controling, combine that with the balance board and now 1:1 and maybe depending on it's usage the wii speak and you have yourself control using your body.

Sony hit this on the head with Eye toy, but the software or the game did not incorperate it well and the play sucked, thus the games sucked.
(The games had very bad tracking. This by the way is the same arguement used for Wiimote, but Wiimote isn't a peripheral and Eye Toy is.)

I paraphrased Nintendo when I used the word Core, they use the word core from a sales perspective, and I am speaking from a sales perspective, not from internet forum slang perspective. Nintendo apologized for what they did wrong at E3? Time will tell if they did something wrong, and I read that statement by Iwata and it was what it was, he stated that they had no intention of showing games that weren't ready to be shown, and that he's sorry for that. The narrative of the author is what claimed hardcore as being the ones he's apologizing to - the author wanted to feel like Iwata was apologizing to him, that's all.

So in short if your saying I'm using the word core incorrectly, then your saying Nintendo used the word wrong, I'd reccomend you call them up, just be polite and I'm sure they will refference you to wikipedia or something.

Anyway back to the second paragraph; the only legitimate and the only way that matters that consumers express that they like something is if they purchase that something, ("show me the money.") That's the point of business, 30 million Wii's sold, more software sales on Wii versus either the PS3 or 360, but of course you could argue: "Wii's install base is almost 50% it should be equal to both Ps3 and 360 for the fiscal year 08-09." I'd say that the Wii wasn't anywhere near 50% for the duration of that year, it's got a very short shelf life and thats all.

Remember consumers express their values by purchasing product. So, since the Wii sells faster and the software sells more (the Wii's core or in terms of sales the ones who appreciate the value of that product or in gaming that platform) it's very safe to say; not everyone needs the values of the HDTwins.



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horriblebastard said:
What games could only be possible this gen due to graphical advances? Oblvion? GTA4? GTA3 and Morrowind worked fine. The only game I can think of is dead rising, and that works on the Wii, so...

Huh? You can't compare games with previous ones from a series like that! GTAIV is part of a series, but as a stand-alone game it would not have been possible without the power of the PS3/360/PC - at least not without being seriously gimped. It's funny how the only example you can think of is also being released on the Wii. lol. You guys are too much.

Anyway, enough with this. I'm gonna bookmark this thread so I can dig it up in 5 years or so when you're all praising the Wii2's graphics so I can shout "hypocrite!" at each and every one of you. :P

 

Please do.  I stand by my argument.  I play roguelikes and love them.  Sometimes I even play games without graphics at all, like chess or dominoes!  Oh my!