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Are you insane? There is no way in hell Super Smash Brothers looks better graphically than Blue Dragon....

Also, comparing Super Smash to some crappy Acme Arsenal game's graphics is not fair in the least.

Blue Dragon's graphics are beyond the capabilities of the Wii. Just cause it's cartoony don't think that those graphics are not totally pushing it.

Are we seriously getting into a debate here over if the Wii has better graphics than the 360, seriously?



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ckmlb said:
Are you insane? There is no way in hell Super Smash Brothers looks better graphically than Blue Dragon....

Also, comparing Super Smash to some crappy Acme Arsenal game's graphics is not fair in the least.

Blue Dragon's graphics are beyond the capabilities of the Wii. Just cause it's cartoony don't think that those graphics are not totally pushing it.

Are we seriously getting into a debate here over if the Wii has better graphics than the 360, seriously?

 Then post some screens of Blue Dragon that you think do it justice and prove us all wrong.



ckmlb said:
Are you insane? There is no way in hell Super Smash Brothers looks better graphically than Blue Dragon....

Also, comparing Super Smash to some crappy Acme Arsenal game's graphics is not fair in the least.

Blue Dragon's graphics are beyond the capabilities of the Wii. Just cause it's cartoony don't think that those graphics are not totally pushing it.

Are we seriously getting into a debate here over if the Wii has better graphics than the 360, seriously?

Blue Dragon is NOT better looking than SSBB or Pokemon BR. Just because a system is more powerful doesn't mean a game is better developed. We aren't debating if the Wii has better graphics, just if a couple games look better in certain styles. Please observe:


I took 2 years of Graphic Technology classes and let me tell you that's just lazy. The ground is textureless, the background has very little detail, and there are no real advanced lighting effects at all. Don't say that's just the art style, because here is a comparison of similar art style (in fact it's where Blue Dragon stole it's art style):

Note the textures on the ground, the detailed backgrounds, the smooth lighting, the lack of Jaggies or anything like them. Check out the details and the polish.

Also, since you apparently don't think SSBB looks good:

Again, smooth lighting, small details. detailed facial expressions. The feathers falling of his wings as he moves... I'm sorry to burst your bubble but there is obviously a lot more graphical polish in both of these games than in Blue Dragon, and both show the point I was trying to make: The Wii can handle advanced cartoon graphics at a high level, and certainly high enough for KH3.

Edit: I compared it to the looney tunes game because that was the example he used.  Blue Dragon was my own personal choice. 



Don't let the PS360 fanbots drag you into their graphics argument.

The past four console wars have been won by the console with the weakest graphics and the lowest price. This one will be no different, and there's no question in my mind that the money-minded Disney will realize this, no matter how hard some might wish it otherwise.



"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks

I can totally see KH3 as a wii game.



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Smash_Brother said:
Don't let the PS360 fanbots drag you into their graphics argument.

The past four console wars have been won by the console with the weakest graphics and the lowest price. This one will be no different, and there's no question in my mind that the money-minded Disney will realize this, no matter how hard some might wish it otherwise.

Well I'm not arguing that wii games have better graphics, just that a Wii game with polish can look very good and certainly good enough for KH graphics.



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I never said KH wouldn't work on the Wii, but it would look better on the 360 and PS3. Also, Smash Bros. does not look better than Blue Dragon. In addition, you have to know it's much easier to make Smash Bros. and Pokemon Battle look better because the game takes place in small areas compared to Blue Dragon's vast expanses. It's easy to add more detail to background and floors all the time when the game takes place in a few arenas compared to big areas. This doesn't mean Super Smash or Pokemon look better than Blue Dragon. Especially not graphically, artistically you might make a case.



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Smash_Brother said:
Don't let the PS360 fanbots drag you into their graphics argument.

The past four console wars have been won by the console with the weakest graphics and the lowest price. This one will be no different, and there's no question in my mind that the money-minded Disney will realize this, no matter how hard some might wish it otherwise.

 What does this have to do with this debate? Or are you just going to the usual argument of sales even though no one was even debating that. Who even brought up the issue of which console is selling better?



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ckmlb said:

All had to be downsized.

I never said KH wouldn't work on the Wii, but it would look better on the 360 and PS3. Also, Smash Bros. does not look better than Blue Dragon. In addition, you have to know it's much easier to make Smash Bros. and Pokemon Battle look better because the game takes place in small areas compared to Blue Dragon's vast expanses. It's easy to add more detail to background and floors all the time when the game takes place in a few arenas compared to big areas. This doesn't mean Super Smash or Pokemon look better than Blue Dragon. Especially not graphically, artistically you might make a case.


Well I'll agree that it would probably look a little better, but even if YOU don't personally see SSBB and Pokemon BR as better looking games, can't you admit that they show the Wii capable of introducing a signifficant step up from former PS2 KH graphics without messing up the cartoon style?  I would have found a game that didn't take place in set environments for the comparison but those are the only Wii games with cartoon graphics yet.  Sorry I'm not trying to show an one-sided view that's just all that was available.

Truthfully, just like most things in gaming, it's a matter of opinion what game looks better to you.  Either way you have to admit even if Blue Dragon does look graphically more powerful, it's not very MUCH more powerful.  My point being:  Considering the difference in development costs, user base, and control scheme and the limits of development and improvement on cartoon graphics, wouldn't it be a safe statement that from a developer perspective the Wii would make the most sense in a choice of systems to continue the original KH series?  While a spinoff would be made with a darker and more violent style for the other 2 systems.  That's my take on it anyway. 



Graphics comparisons seem to set everyone on edge, for some reason.  Let's back off from that and address the original topic.

Based on current sales and platform demographics, the Wii is the natural choice for the next Kingdom Hearts game. Square could even throw in some motion-based swordsplay, which would be a big improvement over the button-mashing that the past two games have used. In fact, this makes so much sense that it probably won't happen.  When development seems to be a slam-dunk in favor of one system, companies often seem to move in a different direction. Maybe just to keep us all guessing!

mrstickball's argument makes perfect sense if Kingdom Hearts has already been in development for some time; if so, I agree that a multiplatform PS3/360 release would be all but inevitable. If not, a Wii exclusive makes the most sense. Most of the disagreement in this thread seems to have centered around missing his qualifier, "I do believe it's already in the process of development for quite some time, and it's engine has probably already been finshed, with textures and all the important graphical assets already there." I'd like to clear that up, because I think there's more agreement than disagreement here on that issue. Where the game currently stands in development will likely determine where it ends up.

How the game looks is largely irrelevant. If Square believes it will sell the best by putting Kingdom Hearts on the Wii, then they will do that. Square has never had much loyalty to any particular platform, which is why they've been so successful. I'm sure that the game would look better on either the PS3 or 360, but that carries little weight when it comes to sales.



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