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naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
Smash_Brother said:
ckmlb said:

What does this have to do with this debate? Or are you just going to the usual argument of sales even though no one was even debating that. Who even brought up the issue of which console is selling better?


The thread has been completely derailed by graphics discussions. I was basically insisting people knock it off.

But the sales argument is due to the fact that, last I checked, this is a thread about where KH3 will go and I believe that, due to the Wii's overwhelming sales, it'll be the Wii.


Oh is that why all the big 3rd party games are going to Wii? Oh wait a second...


Heh, no big games are going to the PS3 and 360 because development on them started more than a year ago. Developers are now getting terrified of the Wii, and scrambling to shift focus. Every company except Konami has anounced the Wii is their primary development focus. Konami has anounced they are working on a new hardcore Wii RPG.

The Wii is the DS ckmlb. The comparisons are so close it's scary. The 360 and the PS3 together are the PSP. Where is the 3rd party support 3 years down the line? Heh, well I'll let you go count for yourself. Where was it at first? Let's just say developers better hope that sales trends change and change fast, as their 3rd party bombed really hard on the PSP, while Nintendo was supported by first party. 2 years later the PSP is all but forgotten from the development standpoint. It's flooded with ports and remakes and 2 Square Enix games. Believe me, I have trouble finding anything to buy for my PSP. The last game I bought was Mega Man Powered Up. I have 2 Square Enix games to look forward to... and that's it.

If the Wii ends up with the kind of support the DS gets, I'm very happy with my purchase. If it doesn't, I'll still get the flood of great Nintendo titles the DS got, but I'm really not worried about it at all.


You're jumping the gun a little here. Really predicting the worse for hte 360 and PS3 and the best case scenario for the Wii.

All the publishers are focusing on the Wii but what kind of games are they making? Casual oriented ones. Hence the big games will come to PS3 and 360 still with spinoffs going to Wii and the casual stuff more and more going to Wii.

Just look at SC IV, they had a chance to make it on Wii but they announced it on 360 and PS3. Why? This game was just revealed and is extremely early in development and could have been shifted to Wii.

Edit: Also you only need to look to find the great games on PSP, but clearly you are not and resigning yourself to 'oh no only ports and two Square games coming'. Are you even looking?  



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The ps3 will surely obtain the game, but there is a possibility it may come out on the wii. The reason is sales. Square enix goes for the best selling console they dont go loyal for one specific company, or I may be worong I expect the wii to get kingdomhearts no matter what the hapenings, thats if the ps3 doesnt get final fantasy Xii as an exclusive game.



 

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ckmlb said:
naznatips said:
ckmlb said:


No one is saying every hardcore game is going to the Wii. Only the most delusioned would say MGS4, FFXIII, etc. are going to have any Wii version whatsoever. Obviously the Wii fanbase has some hardcore, Resident Evil 4 sold amazingly well for being a 2 year old game.

On the other hand, if you would actually read the topic instead of assume that everyone is saying it will go to the Wii just because they want it to, you would see that there are a lot of good reasons for it to go to the Wii. Demographic and user base being the biggest ones. I never met a single person who bought KH when I was in high school, and I doubt all of the 13-18 year old kids with PS3s and 360s are going to be buying it. Square Enix seems to be very good at hitting target demographics (for example DQIX on the DS) and I think they are very aware that the demographic that plays Kingdom Hearts is younger and older than the demographic of PS360 owners. Add to that the fact that the game breaks 1 million in Japan (and it can't sell more than 1 million on either the PS3 or 360 in Japan) and the fact that the Wii is strongest in the 2 markets that KH sold best (America and Japan) and the Wii is the logical choice for a platform. You don't even have to worry about it sacrificing the graphics, as the art style of the game doesn't require powerful graphics to look good. The game is such a perfect fit on the Wii it's almost scary. It seems like it could have been made knowing that the Wii was comming lol.

So this whole graphics debate was so you can convince people it will look as good on Wii as it would on PS3 and 360? It wouldn't. Not saying it won't look good, just not as good...

What is this BS about PS3 owners all being 13-18 year olds? You think the average teen ager can afford a PS3 at the current price?

Also the assumption that teens don't buy Kingdom Hearts games is not necessarily as true as some people are contending it to be.


No, I don't think the average 13-18 year old can afford to buy a PS3.  That might explain the horrible sales, considering their target demographic can't afford their system.



ckmlb said:
naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
Smash_Brother said:
ckmlb said:

What does this have to do with this debate? Or are you just going to the usual argument of sales even though no one was even debating that. Who even brought up the issue of which console is selling better?


The thread has been completely derailed by graphics discussions. I was basically insisting people knock it off.

But the sales argument is due to the fact that, last I checked, this is a thread about where KH3 will go and I believe that, due to the Wii's overwhelming sales, it'll be the Wii.


Oh is that why all the big 3rd party games are going to Wii? Oh wait a second...


Heh, no big games are going to the PS3 and 360 because development on them started more than a year ago. Developers are now getting terrified of the Wii, and scrambling to shift focus. Every company except Konami has anounced the Wii is their primary development focus. Konami has anounced they are working on a new hardcore Wii RPG.

The Wii is the DS ckmlb. The comparisons are so close it's scary. The 360 and the PS3 together are the PSP. Where is the 3rd party support 3 years down the line? Heh, well I'll let you go count for yourself. Where was it at first? Let's just say developers better hope that sales trends change and change fast, as their 3rd party bombed really hard on the PSP, while Nintendo was supported by first party. 2 years later the PSP is all but forgotten from the development standpoint. It's flooded with ports and remakes and 2 Square Enix games. Believe me, I have trouble finding anything to buy for my PSP. The last game I bought was Mega Man Powered Up. I have 2 Square Enix games to look forward to... and that's it.

If the Wii ends up with the kind of support the DS gets, I'm very happy with my purchase. If it doesn't, I'll still get the flood of great Nintendo titles the DS got, but I'm really not worried about it at all.


You're jumping the gun a little here. Really predicting the worse for hte 360 and PS3 and the best case scenario for the Wii.

All the publishers are focusing on the Wii but what kind of games are they making? Casual oriented ones. Hence the big games will come to PS3 and 360 still with spinoffs going to Wii and the casual stuff more and more going to Wii.

Just look at SC IV, they had a chance to make it on Wii but they announced it on 360 and PS3. Why? This game was just revealed and is extremely early in development and could have been shifted to Wii.

Edit: Also you only need to look to find the great games on PSP, but clearly you are not and resigning yourself to 'oh no only ports and two Square games coming'. Are you even looking?


Yes, I'm jumping the gun a little.  I'll admit that currently the direction of development is just the most likely scenario, rather than anything close to guaranteed.  However, remember it took 2 years of bad sales for developers to realize they couldn't sell games on the PSP.  So actually, SCIV is staying within the DS/PSP trends. 

As far as what the Wii is getting from 3rd parties, you have NO CLUE.  Stop saying they are all casual games, because last time I checked, you couldn't see into the future, and developmental focus has shifted within the last 2 months.  So, how about we don't talk shit about imaginary games?

Yeah I look for good games, I just see too many racers, shooters, and sports games: None of which I play (other than the occaissional well made shooter, and all handheld shooters blow).  But, again, we are far off track.  Let's get back to the discussion.

So, since people like to simply dodge the reasoning and attack the Wii's current development trends, here are the only solutions I have heard and why:

PS3 or 360
:

-Pro: apparently movie game sales mean it will sell well?  Graphics could be good. 

-Con: very few systems sold, high development costs, graphics won't improve much for the increased cost, demograhic doesn't match well (this is a matter of opinion, but my personal experience is the majority of PS360 owners are between the ages 13-18.  A few more up to 25), no Japanese sales

PS3 and 360:

-Pro: Graphics could be good, 2 systems combined wouldn't be far from Wii sales (other than in Japan, where the game is also popular), movie games sell well argument again (still not understanding this)

-Con: No Japanese sales, Square Enix has a history of keeping individual games in their major franchises exclusive (every FF game, every DQ game, and ever KH game) other than future remakes, doesn't match demographic well (even if you won't admit the majority is between 13 and 18, you can admit they have almost none of the under 13), high development costs, not far improved graphics over a Wii version

Wii, PS3, and 360:

Who are we kidding, this isn't gonna happen.

Wii:

-Pro: large user base especially in the 2 areas the game sells the best (America and Japan), cheap development costs, matching demographic (under 13, over 18), graphically more than capable of displaying detailed and improved cartoon graphics

-Con: um... you guys don't like the Wii?  Graphics won't be quite as good... you guys still don't like the Wii? If development began more than a year ago they won't cancel it now,  oh and apparently because Spider-Man 3 didn't sell well, KH3 won't.

 

Anything you guys want to add to any of those categories? 



naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
Smash_Brother said:
ckmlb said:

What does this have to do with this debate? Or are you just going to the usual argument of sales even though no one was even debating that. Who even brought up the issue of which console is selling better?


The thread has been completely derailed by graphics discussions. I was basically insisting people knock it off.

But the sales argument is due to the fact that, last I checked, this is a thread about where KH3 will go and I believe that, due to the Wii's overwhelming sales, it'll be the Wii.


Oh is that why all the big 3rd party games are going to Wii? Oh wait a second...


Heh, no big games are going to the PS3 and 360 because development on them started more than a year ago. Developers are now getting terrified of the Wii, and scrambling to shift focus. Every company except Konami has anounced the Wii is their primary development focus. Konami has anounced they are working on a new hardcore Wii RPG.

The Wii is the DS ckmlb. The comparisons are so close it's scary. The 360 and the PS3 together are the PSP. Where is the 3rd party support 3 years down the line? Heh, well I'll let you go count for yourself. Where was it at first? Let's just say developers better hope that sales trends change and change fast, as their 3rd party bombed really hard on the PSP, while Nintendo was supported by first party. 2 years later the PSP is all but forgotten from the development standpoint. It's flooded with ports and remakes and 2 Square Enix games. Believe me, I have trouble finding anything to buy for my PSP. The last game I bought was Mega Man Powered Up. I have 2 Square Enix games to look forward to... and that's it.

If the Wii ends up with the kind of support the DS gets, I'm very happy with my purchase. If it doesn't, I'll still get the flood of great Nintendo titles the DS got, but I'm really not worried about it at all.


You're jumping the gun a little here. Really predicting the worse for hte 360 and PS3 and the best case scenario for the Wii.

All the publishers are focusing on the Wii but what kind of games are they making? Casual oriented ones. Hence the big games will come to PS3 and 360 still with spinoffs going to Wii and the casual stuff more and more going to Wii.

Just look at SC IV, they had a chance to make it on Wii but they announced it on 360 and PS3. Why? This game was just revealed and is extremely early in development and could have been shifted to Wii.

Edit: Also you only need to look to find the great games on PSP, but clearly you are not and resigning yourself to 'oh no only ports and two Square games coming'. Are you even looking?


Yes, I'm jumping the gun a little.  I'll admit that currently the direction of development is just the most likely scenario, rather than anything close to guaranteed.  However, remember it took 2 years of bad sales for developers to realize they couldn't sell games on the PSP.  So actually, SCIV is staying within the DS/PSP trends. 

As far as what the Wii is getting from 3rd parties, you have NO CLUE.  Stop saying they are all casual games, because last time I checked, you couldn't see into the future, and developmental focus has shifted within the last 2 months.  So, how about we don't talk shit about imaginary games?

Yeah I look for good games, I just see too many racers, shooters, and sports games: None of which I play (other than the occaissional well made shooter, and all handheld shooters blow).  But, again, we are far off track.  Let's get back to the discussion.

So, since people like to simply dodge the reasoning and attack the Wii's current development trends, here are the only solutions I have heard and why:

PS3 or 360
:

-Pro: apparently movie game sales mean it will sell well?  Graphics could be good. 

-Con: very few systems sold, high development costs, graphics won't improve much for the increased cost, demograhic doesn't match well (this is a matter of opinion, but my personal experience is the majority of PS360 owners are between the ages 13-18.  A few more up to 25), no Japanese sales

PS3 and 360:

-Pro: Graphics could be good, 2 systems combined wouldn't be far from Wii sales (other than in Japan, where the game is also popular), movie games sell well argument again (still not understanding this)

-Con: No Japanese sales, Square Enix has a history of keeping individual games in their major franchises exclusive (every FF game, every DQ game, and ever KH game) other than future remakes, doesn't match demographic well (even if you won't admit the majority is between 13 and 18, you can admit they have almost none of the under 13), high development costs, not far improved graphics over a Wii version

Wii, PS3, and 360:

Who are we kidding, this isn't gonna happen.

Wii:

-Pro: large user base especially in the 2 areas the game sells the best (America and Japan), cheap development costs, matching demographic (under 13, over 18), graphically more than capable of displaying detailed and improved cartoon graphics

-Con: um... you guys don't like the Wii?  Graphics won't be quite as good... you guys still don't like the Wii? If development began more than a year ago they won't cancel it now,  oh and apparently because Spider-Man 3 didn't sell well, KH3 won't.

 

Anything you guys want to add to any of those categories? 


Yeah, I'll add some more...  Final Fantasy 13 is coming for the PS3 and will likely greatly expand the PS3s rpg audience.  That *same* audience will likely buy the next Kingdom Hearts as well.  So you can't honestly claim it wouldn't have any sales in Japan.

Also there may be other *unforseen* reasons why it might end up on another console.  Wouldn't it be shocking if they announced it for the 360?  Why did I mention that console?  Well Microsoft has publicly stated they're going to try to get and make more games for a younger and casual audiences and they're also trying to get games that attract Japanese gamers.  What would be a better exclusive to try to get than Kingdom Hearts that fits exactly what they're looking for?



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Legend11 said:
naznatips said:
 

Yes, I'm jumping the gun a little. I'll admit that currently the direction of development is just the most likely scenario, rather than anything close to guaranteed. However, remember it took 2 years of bad sales for developers to realize they couldn't sell games on the PSP. So actually, SCIV is staying within the DS/PSP trends.

As far as what the Wii is getting from 3rd parties, you have NO CLUE. Stop saying they are all casual games, because last time I checked, you couldn't see into the future, and developmental focus has shifted within the last 2 months. So, how about we don't talk shit about imaginary games?

Yeah I look for good games, I just see too many racers, shooters, and sports games: None of which I play (other than the occaissional well made shooter, and all handheld shooters blow). But, again, we are far off track. Let's get back to the discussion.

So, since people like to simply dodge the reasoning and attack the Wii's current development trends, here are the only solutions I have heard and why:

PS3 or 360
:

-Pro: apparently movie game sales mean it will sell well? Graphics could be good.

-Con: very few systems sold, high development costs, graphics won't improve much for the increased cost, demograhic doesn't match well (this is a matter of opinion, but my personal experience is the majority of PS360 owners are between the ages 13-18. A few more up to 25), no Japanese sales

PS3 and 360:

-Pro: Graphics could be good, 2 systems combined wouldn't be far from Wii sales (other than in Japan, where the game is also popular), movie games sell well argument again (still not understanding this)

-Con: No Japanese sales, Square Enix has a history of keeping individual games in their major franchises exclusive (every FF game, every DQ game, and ever KH game) other than future remakes, doesn't match demographic well (even if you won't admit the majority is between 13 and 18, you can admit they have almost none of the under 13), high development costs, not far improved graphics over a Wii version

Wii, PS3, and 360:

Who are we kidding, this isn't gonna happen.

Wii:

-Pro: large user base especially in the 2 areas the game sells the best (America and Japan), cheap development costs, matching demographic (under 13, over 18), graphically more than capable of displaying detailed and improved cartoon graphics

-Con: um... you guys don't like the Wii? Graphics won't be quite as good... you guys still don't like the Wii? If development began more than a year ago they won't cancel it now, oh and apparently because Spider-Man 3 didn't sell well, KH3 won't.

 

Anything you guys want to add to any of those categories?


Yeah, I'll add some more... Final Fantasy 13 is coming for the PS3 and will likely greatly expand the PS3s rpg audience. That *same* audience will likely buy the next Kingdom Hearts as well. So you can't honestly claim it wouldn't have any sales in Japan.

Also there may be other *unforseen* reasons why it might end up on another console. Wouldn't it be shocking if they announced it for the 360? Why did I mention that console? Well Microsoft has publicly stated they're going to try to get and make more games for a younger and casual audiences and they're also trying to get games that attract Japanese gamers. What would be a better exclusive to try to get than Kingdom Hearts that fits exactly what they're looking for?


Wouldn't you say Dragon Quest does the same for Nintendo audiences?  Even moreso the KH developers creating a DS game shows a reasonable connection to the Nintendo systems (obviously DS and PSP could still be an option).  Of course there are unforseeable situations such as microsoft paying for the game, but I would say that's an unlikely scenario.



Legend11 said:
naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
naznatips said:
ckmlb said:
Smash_Brother said:
ckmlb said:

What does this have to do with this debate? Or are you just going to the usual argument of sales even though no one was even debating that. Who even brought up the issue of which console is selling better?


The thread has been completely derailed by graphics discussions. I was basically insisting people knock it off.

But the sales argument is due to the fact that, last I checked, this is a thread about where KH3 will go and I believe that, due to the Wii's overwhelming sales, it'll be the Wii.


Oh is that why all the big 3rd party games are going to Wii? Oh wait a second...


Heh, no big games are going to the PS3 and 360 because development on them started more than a year ago. Developers are now getting terrified of the Wii, and scrambling to shift focus. Every company except Konami has anounced the Wii is their primary development focus. Konami has anounced they are working on a new hardcore Wii RPG.

The Wii is the DS ckmlb. The comparisons are so close it's scary. The 360 and the PS3 together are the PSP. Where is the 3rd party support 3 years down the line? Heh, well I'll let you go count for yourself. Where was it at first? Let's just say developers better hope that sales trends change and change fast, as their 3rd party bombed really hard on the PSP, while Nintendo was supported by first party. 2 years later the PSP is all but forgotten from the development standpoint. It's flooded with ports and remakes and 2 Square Enix games. Believe me, I have trouble finding anything to buy for my PSP. The last game I bought was Mega Man Powered Up. I have 2 Square Enix games to look forward to... and that's it.

If the Wii ends up with the kind of support the DS gets, I'm very happy with my purchase. If it doesn't, I'll still get the flood of great Nintendo titles the DS got, but I'm really not worried about it at all.


You're jumping the gun a little here. Really predicting the worse for hte 360 and PS3 and the best case scenario for the Wii.

All the publishers are focusing on the Wii but what kind of games are they making? Casual oriented ones. Hence the big games will come to PS3 and 360 still with spinoffs going to Wii and the casual stuff more and more going to Wii.

Just look at SC IV, they had a chance to make it on Wii but they announced it on 360 and PS3. Why? This game was just revealed and is extremely early in development and could have been shifted to Wii.

Edit: Also you only need to look to find the great games on PSP, but clearly you are not and resigning yourself to 'oh no only ports and two Square games coming'. Are you even looking?


Yes, I'm jumping the gun a little. I'll admit that currently the direction of development is just the most likely scenario, rather than anything close to guaranteed. However, remember it took 2 years of bad sales for developers to realize they couldn't sell games on the PSP. So actually, SCIV is staying within the DS/PSP trends.

As far as what the Wii is getting from 3rd parties, you have NO CLUE. Stop saying they are all casual games, because last time I checked, you couldn't see into the future, and developmental focus has shifted within the last 2 months. So, how about we don't talk shit about imaginary games?

Yeah I look for good games, I just see too many racers, shooters, and sports games: None of which I play (other than the occaissional well made shooter, and all handheld shooters blow). But, again, we are far off track. Let's get back to the discussion.

So, since people like to simply dodge the reasoning and attack the Wii's current development trends, here are the only solutions I have heard and why:

PS3 or 360
:

-Pro: apparently movie game sales mean it will sell well? Graphics could be good.

-Con: very few systems sold, high development costs, graphics won't improve much for the increased cost, demograhic doesn't match well (this is a matter of opinion, but my personal experience is the majority of PS360 owners are between the ages 13-18. A few more up to 25), no Japanese sales

PS3 and 360:

-Pro: Graphics could be good, 2 systems combined wouldn't be far from Wii sales (other than in Japan, where the game is also popular), movie games sell well argument again (still not understanding this)

-Con: No Japanese sales, Square Enix has a history of keeping individual games in their major franchises exclusive (every FF game, every DQ game, and ever KH game) other than future remakes, doesn't match demographic well (even if you won't admit the majority is between 13 and 18, you can admit they have almost none of the under 13), high development costs, not far improved graphics over a Wii version

Wii, PS3, and 360:

Who are we kidding, this isn't gonna happen.

Wii:

-Pro: large user base especially in the 2 areas the game sells the best (America and Japan), cheap development costs, matching demographic (under 13, over 18), graphically more than capable of displaying detailed and improved cartoon graphics

-Con: um... you guys don't like the Wii? Graphics won't be quite as good... you guys still don't like the Wii? If development began more than a year ago they won't cancel it now, oh and apparently because Spider-Man 3 didn't sell well, KH3 won't.

 

Anything you guys want to add to any of those categories?


Yeah, I'll add some more... Final Fantasy 13 is coming for the PS3 and will likely greatly expand the PS3s rpg audience. That *same* audience will likely buy the next Kingdom Hearts as well. So you can't honestly claim it wouldn't have any sales in Japan.

Also there may be other *unforseen* reasons why it might end up on another console. Wouldn't it be shocking if they announced it for the 360? Why did I mention that console? Well Microsoft has publicly stated they're going to try to get and make more games for a younger and casual audiences and they're also trying to get games that attract Japanese gamers. What would be a better exclusive to try to get than Kingdom Hearts that fits exactly what they're looking for?


Oh, WOOOOOOOOW. One main series title and one spin-off (FF Versus XIII). ZOMG!! TOTAL SUPPORT!!!!.... Not.

 

Edit: Oh, and TLR which is also a spin-off and is multi-platform. 




megaxl said:
square enix have childrens of Sony i think lol, for that kh3 be a ps3 game, and maybe square gives sony final fantasy XIV, XV, XVI, XVI, and all the new big IP

 Ummm, they probably won't even GET to XIV because they have Fabula Nova Crystallis going on which games are going to PS3, Wii, PSP (maybe), DS, 360 (maybe)




WiiGirl76 said:
PS3 + PS3, simply because those games are hardcore and Nintendo only gets junk or simple spin off games from Square Enix... or remakes. But you honestly don't expect an exclusive KH3 on the WII now don't you? If that will happen, it would be serious world news.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! KH....hardcore? Where was I when they announced this? KH isn't hardcore at all. And it won't be world news to most people 'cause they knew it was coming. Maybe world news to the Sony fanboys, though >_> How about you stop being a little girl and get along with facts?

Edit:  The PS2 was a non-hardcore game system, FYI.




Legend11 said:
naznatips said:

You think that Square is going to break a 20 year trend of no dual platform games, so that you can play it on the 360. You site movie games as the reason (with one of your examples complete BS), and higher attach rates in the countries that it sells (which isn't true at all). I'm sorry, but the only situation I see of KH3 not being on the Wii is if development began more than a year ago. Otherwise, the spinoff will be on the PS3, and the 360 will probably get nothing (they aren't going to sacrifice 1.2 million Japanese sales for the 360 to get the game).


Have you not heard of The Last Remnant, a DUAL platform game for the PS3 and 360? I'm willing to bet the game will sell *a lot* on the 360 and PS3.

*Edit: Oops I guess you meant primary series but I can't understand the logic behind that if they're willing to do ports and remakes of games on just about every platform and also have a multi-platform game in development for the PS3 and 360 and have mentioned that the Unreal 3 engine keeps down costs, that it would be so impossible to believe that they'd make other multi-platform titles. I mean if Capcom is now doing it with their Resident Evil franchise and many many other developers are making multi-platform titles with their major series for the PS3 and 360 why not Square? As for them not breaking traditions, I remember people saying they'd never leave Nintendo's platform (that was right up until the big FF7 shocker was dropped on the public).


 Why the hell would they use UE3 on a KH game? Don't say"TEG GRAFIX" because the Disney demographic in the game doesn't cut it when using UE3. Disney is cartoons not HD.