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....wait, wait,...I have to stop laughing first before I can hear you........Hahahahaha....air...air....I need air
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| Legend11 said: The part I highlighted says it all... Core gamers on the Nintendo better prepare themselves for the "new approach" on the system or face disappointment. What does that mean? Well anyone reading between the lines will take it as meaning more "casual" games on that system at the expense of "hardcore" games. |
Nintendo can make all the non-game, casual messes they want: I won't play those games.
Godfather Wii used the "new approach" to make violence wonderfully tactile. Manhunt 2 aims to do the same thing as you saw a guy in half with a Wiimote.
My "most anticipated" list consists of "gamer" games made by 3rd parties, and contrary to previous generations, those games are actually coming.
Nintendo doesn't need to make those games when 3rd parties are going to do so instead.
And that kills two birds with one stone because then people will stop bitching about Nintendo consoles only selling Nintendo games because 3rd parties have an open market to fill with so few 1st party "gamer" games being released.
I'll still buy Nintendo's 1st party gamer games, but between their releases, I'm going to buy RE: UC, Ghost Squad, FF: Crystal Bearers, DQ: Swords, Manhunt 2 and anything else which looks like I might enjoy it.
"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks
The Nintendo faithful will always remain devout. Of course some question if they're truly 'hardcore', but this group helped Nintendo survive the lean GameCube years.
I think it's funny that so many 'hardcore' gamers are threatened by motion controls. As developers and gamers get used to this new control method, I think games will ultimately be better because of them in the long term. (Of course there are times where motion controls may not be better and hopefully developers will see those instances and not try to force them on the masses.)
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Legend11 said:
Basically some think it because of what happened at Nintendo's gamer's day. Instead of announcing any core/hardcore games they simply said they were going to focus on the casual audience. People will mention Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Super Smash Brothers Brawl as examples of things still being the same but they have to remember those were announced over a year ago. Ask yourself this, after those three games are out what other hardcore/core Nintendo first party game have I seen pictures for or know are in development that I'm waiting for next year? Can you name even three of them? I imagine some people will say "Hey but wait for E3!" and hopefully they're right but that's not the impression some got at their gamer's day (like the editor in chief of Play Magazine who's statements about Nintendo's gamer's day I posted in here). |
Disaster Day of Crisis
Donkey Kong Jet
Forever Blue
Kirby
Mario Kart
Wii Zelda
Project H.A.M.M.E.R. if it's not canceled,
Animal Crossing
Battalion Wars 2
Fire Emblem
Mario Strikers Charged
Super Swing Golf (Not really sure where to place sports games)
Eyeshield 21 (Japan only)
Hardcore Wii games that have already been released in America plus the big 3:
Zelda: TP
Super Paper Mario
Metroid Prime 3
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario Galaxy
Excite Truck
Trauma Center: 2nd Opinion
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Casual Wii games (future and present releases):
Wii Sports
Wii Play
Wii Health
Wii Music
Big Brain Academy
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics
Mario Party 8
Wario Ware Smooth Moves
Okay, now I know fanboys aren't too bright in general, so I'm going to count these for you: 21 Hardcore Wii games out or in development by Nintendo. 8 Casual Wii games out or in development by Nintendo. Some of those are arguably both markets (Mario & Sonic, Animal Crossing, Super Swing Golf)... so yeah. You all think you can stop with this Wii doesn't care about hardcore gamers bullshit now? I'd really appreciate it.
| naznatips said: Okay, now I know fanboys aren't too bright in general, so I'm going to count these for you: 21 Hardcore Wii games out or in development by Nintendo. 8 Casual Wii games out or in development by Nintendo. Some of those are arguably both markets (Mario & Sonic, Animal Crossing, Super Swing Golf)... so yeah. You all think you can stop with this Wii doesn't care about hardcore gamers bullshit now? I'd really appreciate it. |
Ok, first naznatips don't be so hard on yourself, you might be more smart than people give you credit for.
Now as for those games, how many of those were announced in the last year? How many of them are *new* games that started development in the last year? You know since Nintendo announced their shift in focus to casual gamers. As for the games you mentioned it's rumored that Project H.A.M.M.E.R. is cancelled and that the team behind it is now working on casual games, of course it's just a rumor but if it turns out to be true what does that tell you? I guess the only thing I can say is wait until E3 to see what new stuff is announced...
Um... If have been saying "wait until E3" but that has not stopped the doubters from, well, doubting Nintendo. And, of course, when there is doubt...
Legend11 said:
Ok, first naznatips don't be so hard on yourself, you might be more smart than people give you credit for. Now as for those games, how many of those were announced in the last year? How many of them are *new* games that started development in the last year? You know since Nintendo announced their shift in focus to casual gamers. As for the games you mentioned it's rumored that Project H.A.M.M.E.R. is cancelled and that the team behind it is now working on casual games, of course it's just a rumor but if it turns out to be true what does that tell you? I guess the only thing I can say is wait until E3 to see what new stuff is announced... |
They were all anounced at last year's E3. Now let's think here for a minute. I'll slow it down for you and take it step by step so that you can understand.
Fanboy (read: you) says: Nintendo isn't making any games for the hardcore gamer.
I say: Wait till E3 before making such a claim.
Fanboy says: But they aren't making anything RIGHT NOW.
I list 21 games they are making right now.
Fanboy says: But they weren't anounced this year.
I say: That's why you wait till E3, you know, when they anounced the LAST 20 games.
You see you are bitching about what it turns out is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You are just a hopeless offensive fanboy who is here for the sake of complaining about a system that you don't own and you don't like rather than supporting your own system or playing your own games. YOU ARE A TROLL. You didn't used to be, but you are a pathetic whiner who spends all his time attacking the Wii and PS3. I think it's a pathetic way to live, but if that's how you chose to act, then I hope you are happy with yourself.
naznatips said:
They were all anounced at last year's E3. Now let's think here for a minute. I'll slow it down for you and take it step by step so that you can understand. |
Naz (and Legend) I'd personally appreciate it if you both stopped attacking each other. Naz, Don't call Legend a fanboy -- and dumb -- and he won't call you a fanboy -- and dumb. I would be happier if you didn't insult each other, as I appreciate both of your posts.
Naz, has Nintendo announced ANY games in the last 12 months? I can't think of any.
Or put differently: Legend, I agree that Nintendo hasn't announced any new hardcore games in the last 12 months for the Wii. But they also haven't announced any casual ones, either, so I really don't think that's a fair attack.
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| DonWii said: Yup. Wait until E3. Nintendo is known for being secretive. Why show off that stuff at Gamer Day, when E3 is what really matters? They showed off their casual stuff so that they wouldn't need to focus on it during E3 (My thoughts, Again, waiting for E3 to confirm) You can't compare it to Sony's Gamer Day because: Sony NEEDS to show off as many games as possible if they want to sell them PS3's. The more chances they get, the better (i.e. separate Killzone 2 demonstration). E3 is much smaller this year, and Nintendo wanted to get the casual stuff out of the way. Of course, we could all be proven right/wrong. Best wait until E3. |
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