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No matter what the problem is for sony, the answer is always the same, 10 YEAR PLAN. What a joke.



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I think Kaz and the PS3 is going to surpirse alot of people by getting close to lasting for 10 years.

Remember that while SONY doesn't have the advantage of being number 1 this gen it does have the advantage of Wii being different -- and more casual focused... therefore PS3 and 360 are likely to last 7 - 8 years before being replaced then 12 - 24 months after that until they are discontinued.

Ohh and M$ want 360 to last 7 or more years on the market -- which would give SONY 6 years on the market before they have to worry about a next-box... and i must say if PS3 is supported for 7 or 8 years ill be content with its life-cycle ...



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Hmmm, the money thing is a big issue, but Sony gets money from various sectors of their business to keep going just as MS does. Also, we keep forgetting that Sales of the PS3 are going up and once Sony has broke even probably end of 1st or 2nd quarter next year, we will see a vast improvement overall. Given the 10year life cycle (if they stick to it), they have 7 years to make their money back and profit. So it isn't as bad as it sounds. Which is why the 360 needs to make money back sooner considering it only has a 5year life cycle.

You can put a spin on this topic from either side; the ps3 or the 360, but the truth remains to be seen.

 

Making a profit =/= Breaking even.

They'll break even when they have reported 3 billion profit on the PS3. 

My bad, I meant breaking in even in the sense of starting to make profit or breaking even on every PS3 they sell, which I believe should be happening next year.

 



Didn't Nintendo recently stop supporting the NES and SNES? They only did this because the Wii took up too many resources.



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The best part of the whole statement is "So if we're doing that, let's compare apples to apples"

Comparing a System that was dominately in 1st place with one struggling to try to make it to 2nd. Apples To Apples?

Comparing 2 BC systems to 1 Non BC system and its predecessor. Apples to Apples?

Comparing a system that had the VAST majority of 3rd party support and exclusives in its generation to one that is losing exclusives left and right. Apples to Apples?

I have nothing against Sony or the PS3, but they really need to shut Kaz up, as he present a very stubborn, ignorant, and very out of touch front for Sony's game division.



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ion-storm said:
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The wii is 100% compatible with everything released for the cube and the 360 maintains some sort of bc. The ps2 is still on the market because sony gutted the bc on the ps3 - and the only reason they did this is because if they lost ps2 hardware margins the division would be in the gutter, financially speaking.

How many xbox and cube games have come out recently for people who haven't bought into the next gen systems yet....

 

You hit the nail on the head.

I'm picking up a new PS2 release tomorrow -  Samurai Shodown Collection.

Just as well both of my PS3s are backwards compatible

 



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The main question that has to be answered is "How do you attract developers and consumers to your product after the next generation has began?"

As has been pointed out already, a system like PS2 had can continue to attract developers because the low development costs and massive userbase makes development more profitable (than Next Generation consoles) for years after the next generation began, and profitable (in general) for years after that; at the same time, a system like the PS2 can continue to attract consumers because it is very affordable hardware and has a massive library of high quality budget games which makes it a perfect choice for a gamer who doesn't want to spend that much money.

If you assume 2011 as the begining of the next generation, the PS3 will (probably) not have an amazingly large userbase (probably in the 40 to 60 Million range), will not be that inexpensive (at this rate, probably $200 to $250), and game development will probably not be that much less expensive than Next Generation game development (probably 50% to 75% of the cost of Next Generation development). At this point in time the PS3 will be facing competition which is far more powerful without being that much more expensive (4 to 8 times as powerful, at $300 to $400 should be easy), that includes enhanced versions of all of the special features of the PS3, and has a new and improved version of Wiimote-styled controlls (with developers who know how to use them in a meaningful way).

Honestly, unless Sony (magically) turns everything around and starts selling 20 to 30 Million consoles per year in 2009 the PS3 is going to be lost in the mix as soon as the next generation begins.



Well the Gamecube is still here ... there are over 50 millions sold since the Wii was launched ... you know , that offer to get 2 for the price of one plus a waggle controller :P ( jk ) .



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One thing I notice about current PS2 sales is that almost all the games sold are either casual or sports games. Without that casual audience, sales wouldn't be all that great.

It seems like the hardcore users are the first to abandon systems when something more powerful comes along. The casual and sports users are the last to abandon older systems because graphics aren't as important to them.



Based on what Kas was saying focusing on the PS2 still selling along with the PS3. I suspect what he is really saying is that that the PS4 will be released at about 6/7 years into the PS3, but they will continue the PS3 support well up to 10 years.



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