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no matter what happens.

playstation 3 will have the option of buying a bluray disk with far better visuals/audio/enhancments/extras/features and also better in collectability for building a library for your self. to share with friends and family

and

VOD

so its a winner all day long.

i predict an upswing in VOD related content, wether on ps3, 360 and any other VOD content provider and an upswing in bluray sales.

either way you look at it you have to admit that having both bluray purchase choice and VOD purchase choice, the playstation 3 provides the movie watcher the best experiance out of the box, with included in every model a hdmi output to watch the movies in full 1080p



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akuma587 said:
Part of the problem is Blu-Ray is still relatively new, although consumer awareness is rising. All major electronic retailers are heavily pushing Blu-Ray, which will help, because it gives them a much better profit margin.

Part of the problem is movie selection. DVD had about 100% to 66% more (once again too lazy to drag up the figures now).

Part of the problem is studio support. Within the last few days Universal released its first Blu-Ray film. Paramount is barely ahead of them. Weinstein has yet to release any.

Part of the problem is the HD TV set upgrade.

But Blu-Ray biggest obstacle to mainstream adoption, a rival disc format in the form of HD-DVD is out of the way. Now it just has to beat off the DVD market, which will probably take about 4-5 years (maybe as many as 7) until Blu-Ray has a greater market share.

But believe me, retailers pushing Blu-Ray because it makes them more money (just like what happened with VHS) is Blu-ray's biggest Ace in the Hole.

I wouldn't say it makes the more money just like VHS. Yes, they can charge more by raising the price. However VHS was very expensive to produce and distribute. The tapes could not easily be mass produced in short periods of time, whereas dvds can be stamped out by the millions. The smaller form factor meant lower distribution costs since the product takes up less volume and weight, so more can be shipped and stocked for the same price.

From a consumer perspective, blu-ray only offers increased quality and perhaps better interactivity. DVD had enormous advantages over VHS however besides just quality. No rewiding, better reliability, smaller packaging, no degradation from playing, indexing, etc. Not to mention that 100% of televisions could benefit from the advantages.

 



akuma587 said:
Lol, so why has the argument shifted to DVD vs. Blu-Ray? Has anyone looked at the thread title? Even I got sucked in.


Because proof of one lie shows a tendency to lie and overstate. Which is what the Blu-ray conglomerate and some studios do in hopes to put a big shove behind a format that isn't anywhere near as impressive market wise as they would claim.

It hasn't gotten out of Laserdisc territory yet... it's sales are closer to Laserdiscs then DVDs in any case. I believe Laserdisc sold about 8 million total discs in it's third year. With about 300K players in it's home... which really has you question how many PS3's really are being used for movie players.  Much like laserdisc, the largest opponent isn't a rival format.  It's consumer apathy.

Reporters on such matters have goten a lot lazyier and buy into the spin a lot more... or maybe networks have just gotten better at spin. So there is still hope. But it's not going anywhere near as rosey as people had hoped and projected. There is still a very real chance it doesn't catch on.

The VOD stuff is easy.

The Blu-ray conglomnerate is counting ONLY pay per view VODs for revenue and not counting other streaming options that are free or paid through via advertising.

If you take it as unique views of movies vs blu-ray discs sold you see that Blu-ray is FAR behind VOD. Unique views on individual sites beat Blu-ray's combined sales.



The point about free streaming is valid

I'm in the UK and watch most of my television on the BBC via the I player or other links. The quality is perfectly acceptable for me and fits into my lifestyle perfectly.

Other channels also offer this type of timeshift on demand viewing and the figures it would seem to be discounted immediately by the industry watchers.

Best of all its a free service for UK residents.



lol....i now realized it changed to DVD vs. Blu-Ray hahaha



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"The Blu-Ray Conglomerate" is not independent news sources and analysts. If they choose not to count streamed VOD which people do not pay for (which is what the movie studios actually care about), then what is the problem? I really don't think people can hold it against the Blu-Ray Forum that analysts and movie studios don't think it is that important.

Why is it the Blu-Ray Forum's fault? None of these numbers I posted here came from them.



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akuma587 said:
"The Blu-Ray Conglomerate" is not independent news sources and analysts. If they choose not to count streamed VOD which people do not pay for (which is what the movie studios actually care about), then what is the problem? I really don't think people can hold it against the Blu-Ray Forum that analysts and movie studios don't think it is that important.

Why is it the Blu-Ray Forum's fault? None of these numbers I posted here came from them.


Question, who do you think pays for the majority of studies about Blu-ray and HD sales?

Most studies even independent ones are going to be paid for by them or by others that have a stake in blu-ray succeeding. That's just how the world of this stuff works.

The reason to count it is easy though... because if you don't count it. You aren't getting a makeup of how much of the market you've actually captured.

Free VOD is paid for in other ways adds and such... and it effects movie studios decisions... as they have to deal with how much buisness is being lost to VODs and need to adapt to new trends in the market.

By ignoring it you risk the same problem the record companies have.

Either way VOD is far greater the Blu-ray... the fact that the stuff you showed doesn't count a lot of VOD because they don't want to doesn't change that fact.



I would ideally like to have a monthly subscription fee to the PSN Movie service where I could get unlimited rental downloads and then I'd buy the movies I really like on Blu Ray.

My main problem with that plan right now are:

1) There's no such plan on PSN right now
2) My download speed makes this not feasible right now.



u guys can spin it however u want so u can sleep at night... HOWEVER, as long as #players sold > # movies sold, nothing u say or quote will make br adoption look strong the first milestone to hit before even using words like 'rapid' with br is to sell more movies than players



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