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steverhcp02 on 29 November 2007

300% less is 27 to 73.... okay its less than 300% but roughly 300% less software. 270% less to be exact.

 

Toshiba began their hardware spin alongside their attach rate spin. Toshibas answer has always been "the PS3 doesnt exist, standalone sonly matter our standalones sell better which means people are choosing HD DVD." they then use software across all BD media, including the PS3 to inflate attach rates. Thus anyone with a brain must question how they lose dramatically all year (2:1) in software sales, yet boast an attach rate 9 or 10 times higher than BD.....interesting, indeed. The gauge is not "SUSPECT" its a bold face lie.

 

Just recently Graffeo released a statement about 750k HD DVD players.....dude, thats all they talk about are hardware sales and their mantra hasnt changed.  

 

And now the answer has molded. You and othe rHD DVD apologist or BD despises now focus your attention to DVD sales. If HD DVD cant win no one can. Its clear DVD is the king of home media, whats taking place between HD DVD and BD has NOTHING to do with DVD at this point. Its all relative. 

 

There is a DVD market and an HDMedia market, why you and others want to create one market for all is beyond me. There are two markets because we dont have to chose one or the other....all companies offer titles in both HDM and DVD, thus they coexist. All companies dont make HD DVD and BD thus they do not coexist and are competing. For markets to compete there must be differentiation across the board. So to act as if consumers can buy HDM or DVD as their only means is assinine. HDM and DVD are not competing so to argue that HDM trailing DVD at market saturation is a sign of failure or unimportance is silly.




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steverhcp02 on 29 November 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought.

Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong.

From the Hollywood Reporter:

The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player.

It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week.

Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground.

Ohhhhh i see. you are trying to say that BD GAVE more titles away? Actually besides open season at BB, they didnt give any away......whereas on amazon every single HD DVD player sold came with 3 movies scanned that counte din the nielsens.....so youre dead wrong. For $199 all last week you could get an HD DV Dplayer with 10 free movies. 3 of which counted in these figures.....so you could essentially MAKE MONEY on buying aplayer for $199. 10 movies would equal roughly $250.....crazy isnt it, how much you will put your head in the sand and scurry for reasoning to denounce BD.

 


You used just one retailer to claim BD players had no movies, just one, and a completely different one, to claim HD-DVD offers more. That is total BS.

And if you actually looked at my posts here, you would know that I'm denouncing NEITHER format. I'm denouncing the lie that the market share of hi-def is actually important as getting into the mainstream. Pretending I'm biased won't make it anything else.


 no, i used the one BD player packaged with a single title on a single unit to another retailer packaging 3 movies with every HD DVD player on the market. Im not lieing, the fact that people got 3 free movies of their choice (from a decent list) with any player at one retailer and people got Open Season with the BDPS300 at one retailer is in favor of HD DVD numbers being skewed.

The A3 was in the top 3 all week on amazons TOTAL electronics....ahead of ipods, and certain zunes and all GPS etc. So a considerable amount of free HD DVD's were sold to peope choosing their favorite 3.

Whereas folks at Best Buy got Open Season only if they bought the BDPS300.

Thats not BS, thats reality, champ.




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LordTheNightKnight on 29 November 2007
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
makingmusic476 said:
Blu-Ray wins the week of Black Friday 73:27. Despite that massive sales of HD DVD players last Friday, each coming with instant free software that would've been swiped across the counter and thus counted in total sales, Blu-Ray managed to INCREASE it's sales lead for the week. This implies that far less HD DVD SALs were sold last week than originally thought.

Tbh, I thought HD DVD would finally win a week last week, or at least lose by no more than 5%. Apparently, I was wrong.

From the Hollywood Reporter:

The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player.

It does not. We don't have the hard numbers, so you can't claim HD-DVD sales were less from this. The article makes no indications that hi-def sales were the same as last week.

Plus blu-ray player sales offered more movies than HD-DVD player sales, so it's not as though HD-DVD is loosing ground.

Ohhhhh i see. you are trying to say that BD GAVE more titles away? Actually besides open season at BB, they didnt give any away......whereas on amazon every single HD DVD player sold came with 3 movies scanned that counte din the nielsens.....so youre dead wrong. For $199 all last week you could get an HD DV Dplayer with 10 free movies. 3 of which counted in these figures.....so you could essentially MAKE MONEY on buying aplayer for $199. 10 movies would equal roughly $250.....crazy isnt it, how much you will put your head in the sand and scurry for reasoning to denounce BD.

 


You used just one retailer to claim BD players had no movies, just one, and a completely different one, to claim HD-DVD offers more. That is total BS.

And if you actually looked at my posts here, you would know that I'm denouncing NEITHER format. I'm denouncing the lie that the market share of hi-def is actually important as getting into the mainstream. Pretending I'm biased won't make it anything else.


no, i used the one BD player packaged with a single title on a single unit to another retailer packaging 3 movies with every HD DVD player on the market. Im not lieing, the fact that people got 3 free movies of their choice (from a decent list) with any player at one retailer and people got Open Season with the BDPS300 at one retailer is in favor of HD DVD numbers being skewed.

The A3 was in the top 3 all week on amazons TOTAL electronics....ahead of ipods, and certain zunes and all GPS etc. So a considerable amount of free HD DVD's were sold to peope choosing their favorite 3.

Whereas folks at Best Buy got Open Season only if they bought the BDPS300.

Thats not BS, thats reality, champ.


You admit to using one store for each example, without mentioning deals for the OTHER FORMAT for each retailer, and you claim that's reality. You liar. You can't prove blu-ray offered less formats unless you look at SEVERAL deals that SEVERAL stores are offering for BOTH formats. What you have here is the fallacy of one example.

Yet your sig shows you are the real biased one, so I can't expect objectivity from you. 



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LordTheNightKnight on 29 November 2007

Oh, I just remembered. Amazon is not counted by videoscan's data, so your examples are truly BS, since they would actually help HD-DVD's percentage if they were included. That is not to say HD-DVD is doing better, as much as just pointing out your argument is faulty.

BTW, the real reason this ratio news is practically worthless is that knowing the percantage change does not tell us the actual market growth of hi-def into the mainsteam. How do we know how much better both formats are selling with only a shift in the market share to each other? Total HD movies sales could be five times what they  were the week before, but this news doesn't tell us.



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TheBigFatJ on 29 November 2007
Gamerace said:
Actually people I speak too, who are not technically inclined people, don't even know what blu-ray or HD-DVD are really, even though they own HD TVs. I think most people are quite content with their dvds for the forseeable future.

I'm exactly in this camp.  I'm fine with regular DVDs since I get the vast majority of my HD content from my satelite provider (and OTA) anyhow, plus I have a lot of HD content stored on my HD-DVR (maybe 100 hours right now).  I ended up getting a Toshiba HD-A2 because I needed to replace my DVD player with something better, and the HD-A2 was a reasonably high end DVD player for $98.

Many people think that DVDs are HD.  There won't be a strong adoption of HD media until they HD media is as cheap as DVD.  As long as DVDs can be purchased from $5-$10 new if you're a little patient, only a select few will bother paying 3x as much for better picture and sound quality.



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Golvellius on 29 November 2007
steverhcp02 said:
Golvellius said:
ssj12 said:
makingmusic476 said:
From High Def Digest:



Week 11/18: BD 66, HD 34 YTD: BD 65, HD 35 SI: BD 61, HD 39
Week 11/11: BD 65, HD 35 YTD: BD 65, HD 35 SI: BD 61, HD 39
Week 11/04: BD 71, HD 29 YTD: BD 64, HD 36 SI: BD 61, HD 39
Week 10/28: BD 55, HD 45 YTD: BD 64, HD 36 SI: BD 60, HD 40

Also, total sales of Blu-Ray movies have surpassed the 1 mil. mark in Europe, not including movies bundled with ps3s.

just a few more weeks and Sony has officially beat Toshiba for HD market dominance for a full year.


Yeah, at the cost of being the distant third in the console sector.


well according to everyone who despises Sony, being in last (HD DVD) is a sign of success, right?


Current-gen consoles are already selling to the mainstream, but the situation is different for HD movies. I never claimed that HD DVD was more successful than BR, admittedly BR is in a better position right now. But since their market is still a niche, neither of them can even remotely be referred to as successful at the moment. However, I personally believe that HD DVD has better chances of becoming successful one day. Sony-fans might not like this opinion, I understand that.



Saiyar on 29 November 2007

Numbers are in for the black friday week.

73:27 (Blu:HD)

HMM should be up tomorrow with a more complete breakdown. 



steverhcp02 on 29 November 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
Oh, I just remembered. Amazon is not counted by videoscan's data, so your examples are truly BS, since they would actually help HD-DVD's percentage if they were included. That is not to say HD-DVD is doing better, as much as just pointing out your argument is faulty.

BTW, the real reason this ratio news is practically worthless is that knowing the percantage change does not tell us the actual market growth of hi-def into the mainsteam. How do we know how much better both formats are selling with only a shift in the market share to each other? Total HD movies sales could be five times what they were the week before, but this news doesn't tell us.

 you have clearly no idea what youre talking about. So it makes me feel better about not having to respond to you anymore. Amazon is counted....youre most likely referring to Paramount justification for thei rPR about Transformers where they LIED and said the difference came form Amazon, Blockbuster and Netflix....arent you?......lol, nice try, but there no point in debating with someone as ill informed on the subject matter as you if you are under the impression that Amazon sales dont count and call my explanation based on it, BS. lol.




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steverhcp02 on 29 November 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
Oh, I just remembered. Amazon is not counted by videoscan's data, so your examples are truly BS, since they would actually help HD-DVD's percentage if they were included. That is not to say HD-DVD is doing better, as much as just pointing out your argument is faulty.

BTW, the real reason this ratio news is practically worthless is that knowing the percantage change does not tell us the actual market growth of hi-def into the mainsteam. How do we know how much better both formats are selling with only a shift in the market share to each other? Total HD movies sales could be five times what they were the week before, but this news doesn't tell us.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=75416&d=1171406427

 

perhaps instead of remember you should learn what youre talking about, it would help in discussions.

 

and before you cry foul since it was updated last in 2006, it is accurate. 




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kirby007 on 29 November 2007
LordTheNightKnight said:
steverhcp02 said:

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You admit to using one store for each example, without mentioning deals for the OTHER FORMAT for each retailer, and you claim that's reality. You liar. You can't prove blu-ray offered less formats unless you look at SEVERAL deals that SEVERAL stores are offering for BOTH formats. What you have here is the fallacy of one example.

Yet your sig shows you are the real biased one, so I can't expect objectivity from you. 


but are u?



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