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ckmlb on 03 July 2007
SpaceJase said:
HDDVD will win because it's got a better name.

Not that I care in the slightest but at least the PS3 fans have the HD format war to (they hope) make up for losing the console war...

...The word 'pathetic' does leap to mind.

Cause you know losing the console war makes people who have that console pathetic. I guess Nintendo fans were pathetic for the last decade just cause they bought the consoles they wanted to play the games they wanted.

HD DVD will win because of its name? Great theory except when Blu Ray wins and someone goes to get an HD DVD they will get Blu Rays. Both are types of high def DVDs, the consumer is not gonna buy HD DVD because the other one is called Blu Ray.... great theory. 

 



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z64dan on 04 July 2007
ckmlb said:
SpaceJase said:
HDDVD will win because it's got a better name.

Not that I care in the slightest but at least the PS3 fans have the HD format war to (they hope) make up for losing the console war...

...The word 'pathetic' does leap to mind.

Cause you know losing the console war makes people who have that console pathetic. I guess Nintendo fans were pathetic for the last decade just cause they bought the consoles they wanted to play the games they wanted.

HD DVD will win because of its name? Great theory except when Blu Ray wins and someone goes to get an HD DVD they will get Blu Rays. Both are types of high def DVDs, the consumer is not gonna buy HD DVD because the other one is called Blu Ray.... great theory. 


betamax was a great name too, in theory



akuma587 on 04 July 2007

Wow, people are still using the HD-DVD name argument. Honestly, I think the name causes more confusion than good. Some people think you can play them in your regular DVD player and end up buying them only to return them later, and the "combo-discs" designed to entice consumers really do nothing but hurt them in the end by making them pay extra for something they don't need.

When someone says Blu-Ray, there is less confusion, because at least the majority of people know it is a next-gen format. They at least know it is different from DVD, which might get them asking questions.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

libellule on 04 July 2007

the PS3 is able to read the CD/DVD/Blueray ?

Time to Work !

rocketpig on 04 July 2007

I love how people claim this war is "over" yet players haven't even dropped below $300, the computer industry hasn't even weighed in on any serious level yet, and burners are barely on the horizon.

This hasn't even started yet. I don't care who wins because I don't plan on investing in either of them any time soon but 2% of the MOVIE market cannot declare a winner, especially when the tech industry, a HUGE mover and shaker in the DVD adoption rate, hasn't even started adopting either format en masse.

Add in other important necessities such as an HDTV requirement to use either format (currently ~20% in the US), the almost COMPLETE lack of need for data storage this large in home PCs (or even to most extents business PCs), and the ridiculously low price of DVD (a format that fills the needs of ~95% of the population) and this "war" is going to last quite awhile. Even if one of the formats drops out, we still won't see large adoption rates for quite some time because frankly, most people are JUST FINE with DVD. People don't buy stuff because it's on the market, they buy it because they see a vast improvement, have a need for the product, or the price difference is negligible. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD aren't an enormous leap over DVD (when compared to the DVD over VHS improvement) and people just aren't showing much interest in any high-def format yet.


So, in short, go ahead and "rah rah" your format of choice. It won't make a damned bit of difference in the long run and you'll only look like an ass in the process.



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akuma587 on 04 July 2007
libellule said:

the PS3 is able to read the CD/DVD/Blueray ?
Yes, and various other codecs like MP4, AVC, etc. used on the computer.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 04 July 2007
rocketpig said:
I love how people claim this war is "over" yet players haven't even dropped below $300, the computer industry hasn't even weighed in on any serious level yet, and burners are barely on the horizon.

This hasn't even started yet. I don't care who wins because I don't plan on investing in either of them any time soon but 2% of the MOVIE market cannot declare a winner, especially when the tech industry, a HUGE mover and shaker in the DVD adoption rate, hasn't even started adopting either format en masse.

Add in other important necessities such as an HDTV requirement to use either format (currently ~20% in the US), the almost COMPLETE lack of need for data storage this large in home PCs (or even to most extents business PCs), and the ridiculously low price of DVD (a format that fills the needs of ~95% of the population) and this "war" is going to last quite awhile. Even if one of the formats drops out, we still won't see large adoption rates for quite some time because frankly, most people are JUST FINE with DVD. People don't buy stuff because it's on the market, they buy it because they see a vast improvement or have a need for the product. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD aren't an enormous leap over DVD (when compared to the DVD over VHS improvement) and people just aren't showing much interest in any high-def format yet.

So, in short, go ahead and "rah rah" your format of choice. It won't make a damned bit of difference in the long run and you'll only look like an ass in the process.

 Show me an HD-DVD burner that can write faster than 1x and I will believe your claims about the Tech market.  Seriously, even multiple burning programs I have used make explicit references to Blu-Ray (not HD-DVD), not to mention the numerous well-priced Blu-Ray read only and decent priced Blu-Ray writing CD drives (and yes, these go above 1x, not sure if above 4x yet).

 I can buy blank Blu-Rays at Best Buy.  I didn't see any blank HD-DVD's last time I went.............I really think your claims about the tech market are incorrect here.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

rocketpig on 04 July 2007
akuma587 said:
rocketpig said:
I love how people claim this war is "over" yet players haven't even dropped below $300, the computer industry hasn't even weighed in on any serious level yet, and burners are barely on the horizon.

This hasn't even started yet. I don't care who wins because I don't plan on investing in either of them any time soon but 2% of the MOVIE market cannot declare a winner, especially when the tech industry, a HUGE mover and shaker in the DVD adoption rate, hasn't even started adopting either format en masse.

Add in other important necessities such as an HDTV requirement to use either format (currently ~20% in the US), the almost COMPLETE lack of need for data storage this large in home PCs (or even to most extents business PCs), and the ridiculously low price of DVD (a format that fills the needs of ~95% of the population) and this "war" is going to last quite awhile. Even if one of the formats drops out, we still won't see large adoption rates for quite some time because frankly, most people are JUST FINE with DVD. People don't buy stuff because it's on the market, they buy it because they see a vast improvement or have a need for the product. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD aren't an enormous leap over DVD (when compared to the DVD over VHS improvement) and people just aren't showing much interest in any high-def format yet.

So, in short, go ahead and "rah rah" your format of choice. It won't make a damned bit of difference in the long run and you'll only look like an ass in the process.

 Show me an HD-DVD burner that can write faster than 1x and I will believe your claims about the Tech market.  Seriously, even multiple burning programs I have used make explicit references to Blu-Ray (not HD-DVD), not to mention the numerous well-priced Blu-Ray read only and decent priced Blu-Ray writing CD drives (and yes, these go above 1x, not sure if above 4x yet).

 I can buy blank Blu-Rays at Best Buy.  I didn't see any blank HD-DVD's last time I went.............I really think your claims about the tech market are incorrect here.


Uh, what did I say that was incorrect? That burners are barely on the horizon? Well, that's a pretty accurate situation given their pricing. Overall, the tech industry is dabbling in the formats, no one is bankrolling either one (except for Sony and Toshiba). Look at supposed Blu-Ray supporters like Apple and Dell. One isn't doing anything with the format and the other is barely offering it in anything. Like I said, the tech industry hasn't even weighed in yet.

Did I ever defend HD-DVD once? I re-read my post and I could swear that I didn't take a side in anything. And why did you even bring up speed? I never referenced it even once.

You can claim that I'm wrong about the tech market but all you have to do is look at various tech offerings and it's painfully obvious that I'm right. Sony and Toshiba are trying to push the formats but no one else is showing much interest. That's not to say that to say that no one offers anything for the formats, but the offerings are few and far between and NOTHING like DVD circa 1998.

 




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akuma587 on 04 July 2007

I gave the speed examples to show how many people in the tech industry can see that Blu-Ray is the no-brainer choice. HD-DVD has had a lot of trouble making burners that are able to do higher writing speeds because, what do you know, the R&D of HD-DVD wasn't as thorough as it should have been. The plastic layers of the disc are so thick that the laser has a lot of trouble doing what it needs to because of the dispersion. Blu-Ray has a thinner plastic layer which severely lessens the problem (and is more scratch resistant to boot because of the Durabis lining they developed).

I didn't mean anything personal with my post, I just really don't see ANY tech support for HD-DVD except the floundering Toshiba (the only HD-DVD player maker because no one else will get in the market because Toshiba subsidizes their players) who is putting HD-DVD players in their laptops. Microsoft isn't doing much at all anymore to help out HD-DVD since it is pretty much convinced that the format is going to die and that downloads are the way to go in the future anyways. Blu-Ray actually has disc drives being manufactured by multiple companies (just look on Amazon), along with burners, and along with a decent supply of blank discs for sale. Several companies are offering Blu-Ray players in their computers now as well.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

LordTheNightKnight on 04 July 2007
akuma587 said:
Wow, people are still using the HD-DVD name argument. Honestly, I think the name causes more confusion than good. Some people think you can play them in your regular DVD player and end up buying them only to return them later, and the "combo-discs" designed to entice consumers really do nothing but hurt them in the end by making them pay extra for something they don't need.

When someone says Blu-Ray, there is less confusion, because at least the majority of people know it is a next-gen format. They at least know it is different from DVD, which might get them asking questions.

 How do you know the majority of people know that? You don't, unless you have a link to some actual surveys.



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