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Kytiara said:
Ugh, its been pretty much shown that these conversations don't end well on this site. There have been countless previous threads.

Those people who believe the theory of anthropogenic climate change is true aren't likely to change their minds.

And those people who don't think that the theory has been proven conclusively at all again aren't likely to change their opinion.

BTW, one of my pet peeves is people saying this it is FACT and not a theory. You can't prove humans are causing climate change anymore than we can prove gravity exists or evolution (another thorny subject). They are all theories. Some theories have very heavy evidence, some have less evidence, but none of them are facts because they can always be disproven at some point in the future.

you cannot disprove them either

 



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READ ME
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,176495.shtml
Hmm thats a lot but we'll keep going

Me Next
Antarctic Ice Growing in size.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/cold-science/2002-01-18-wais-thicker.htm

Now Me
Just a few of the scientists who 1) Say warming has ceased, 2) Say its caused by something other then humans, 3) say warming will have a POSITIVE outcome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus

My Imput

I have a simple question for everyone. All scientists agree that there have been multiple ice ages and warming phases for millions of years on earth. Modern man has been around what... 2000 years? (I don't think the cavemen were emitting much Co2). My question is this: "If Humans are the cause of global warming 1) How has it occurred before humans were on earth, 2) If you can answer 1 then what do you suppose we do about it if humans in fact "cause" it. Should we all go buy hybrids? Do you really think developing industrial countries like India care if their emissions are going up drastically for an UNPROVEN theory at best. Do we have the right to tell other countries " Hey sorry you cant become self supportive and industrial because theres a possibility the sun will melt/drown us all soon "

Haha
This is a joke. 50 Years ago "Throw soot on the ice caps so it attracts the sun to melt some ice so we don't freeze!"

Again Haha
Now "Quick, we've just discovered that the sun is melting us give us billions of dollars to do more research to study something that we can do nothing about!"

Ranting But True
Honestly AL Gore Created global warming, where did he get his meteorology degree from? Last I checked he studied government and journalism.

Know Your Facts
One last thing, to all the idiots saying global warming is a scientific fact read this:
"Scientific Fact- any observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and accepted as true; any scientific observation that has not been refuted" Meaning it cant be accepted by a select few then set in stone.



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Kytiara said:
Ugh, its been pretty much shown that these conversations don't end well on this site. There have been countless previous threads.

Those people who believe the theory of anthropogenic climate change is true aren't likely to change their minds.

And those people who don't think that the theory has been proven conclusively at all again aren't likely to change their opinion.

BTW, one of my pet peeves is people saying this it is FACT and not a theory. You can't prove humans are causing climate change anymore than we can prove gravity exists or evolution (another thorny subject). They are all theories. Some theories have very heavy evidence, some have less evidence, but none of them are facts because they can always be disproven at some point in the future.

I'd be willing to change my mind if someone could actually rebut the arguements people who don't believe in it makes.

Instead of "It's true!!!!!1!111!!" to constant walls of actual facts and evidence.

For some reason nobody on this site who seems to believe global warming is man made seems to be very well informed on the subject.

 



PS360ForTheWin said:
Kytiara said:
Ugh, its been pretty much shown that these conversations don't end well on this site. There have been countless previous threads.

Those people who believe the theory of anthropogenic climate change is true aren't likely to change their minds.

And those people who don't think that the theory has been proven conclusively at all again aren't likely to change their opinion.

BTW, one of my pet peeves is people saying this it is FACT and not a theory. You can't prove humans are causing climate change anymore than we can prove gravity exists or evolution (another thorny subject). They are all theories. Some theories have very heavy evidence, some have less evidence, but none of them are facts because they can always be disproven at some point in the future.

you cannot disprove them either

 

You don't have to when using the scientific method correctly.

 



Kasz216 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
Kytiara said:
Ugh, its been pretty much shown that these conversations don't end well on this site. There have been countless previous threads.

Those people who believe the theory of anthropogenic climate change is true aren't likely to change their minds.

And those people who don't think that the theory has been proven conclusively at all again aren't likely to change their opinion.

BTW, one of my pet peeves is people saying this it is FACT and not a theory. You can't prove humans are causing climate change anymore than we can prove gravity exists or evolution (another thorny subject). They are all theories. Some theories have very heavy evidence, some have less evidence, but none of them are facts because they can always be disproven at some point in the future.

you cannot disprove them either

 

You don't have to when using the scientific method correctly.

 

+1 for kasz216

edit: for all the believers in global warming caused by humans, read my post and rebut it please...



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Kasz216 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
Kytiara said:
Ugh, its been pretty much shown that these conversations don't end well on this site. There have been countless previous threads.

Those people who believe the theory of anthropogenic climate change is true aren't likely to change their minds.

And those people who don't think that the theory has been proven conclusively at all again aren't likely to change their opinion.

BTW, one of my pet peeves is people saying this it is FACT and not a theory. You can't prove humans are causing climate change anymore than we can prove gravity exists or evolution (another thorny subject). They are all theories. Some theories have very heavy evidence, some have less evidence, but none of them are facts because they can always be disproven at some point in the future.

you cannot disprove them either

 

You don't have to when using the scientific method correctly.

 

*sigh* there is no correct way in this debate, as neither side has conclusive proof.

 



Dogs Rule said:
llewdebkram said:
It probably exists but even if it is man made man doesn't care to do anything about it if it means less money/profit and a significant change of lifestyle for himself.



Generally the lifestyle changes are easy and good for you. See my first post in the thread for examples.

I also saves you energy costs in the long run. Alternative energy is a new frontier, so there is possibilities to create new millionaires, new jobs. If you want to be radical and put the patents for alternative energy production into public domain and allow small groups to create their own power thus eliminating the need for large corporations to make billions overcharging you for your energy.

Which is a better arguement to make. 

The problem is when people try to over frighten and sensationalize something to get people to change their behavior.

The "just in case" and "this is better for you" arguement is fine... but the "OMG WERE ALL GOIN TO DIE!?!? 2 YEARS FROM NOW!" argument is stupid... and the worldwide plans to stop global warming that have been offered up don't actually solve anything as they give leeway for some of the worlds worst polluters. (China) while alowing all the other polluters to keep polluting at the same level just so long as they buy carbon credits off of dictators of 3rd world nations who will be given  more incentives to not build up their infrastructure.

 



PS360ForTheWin said:
Kasz216 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
Kytiara said:
Ugh, its been pretty much shown that these conversations don't end well on this site. There have been countless previous threads.

Those people who believe the theory of anthropogenic climate change is true aren't likely to change their minds.

And those people who don't think that the theory has been proven conclusively at all again aren't likely to change their opinion.

BTW, one of my pet peeves is people saying this it is FACT and not a theory. You can't prove humans are causing climate change anymore than we can prove gravity exists or evolution (another thorny subject). They are all theories. Some theories have very heavy evidence, some have less evidence, but none of them are facts because they can always be disproven at some point in the future.

you cannot disprove them either

 

You don't have to when using the scientific method correctly.

 

*sigh* there is no correct way in this debate, as neither side has conclusive proof.

 

 

which is why global warming caused by humans is a theory at best



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mr.elite said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
Kasz216 said:
PS360ForTheWin said:
Kytiara said:
Ugh, its been pretty much shown that these conversations don't end well on this site. There have been countless previous threads.

Those people who believe the theory of anthropogenic climate change is true aren't likely to change their minds.

And those people who don't think that the theory has been proven conclusively at all again aren't likely to change their opinion.

BTW, one of my pet peeves is people saying this it is FACT and not a theory. You can't prove humans are causing climate change anymore than we can prove gravity exists or evolution (another thorny subject). They are all theories. Some theories have very heavy evidence, some have less evidence, but none of them are facts because they can always be disproven at some point in the future.

you cannot disprove them either

 

You don't have to when using the scientific method correctly.

 

*sigh* there is no correct way in this debate, as neither side has conclusive proof.

 

 

which is why global warming caused by humans is a theory at best

as is saying that it definetley isnt.

 



We can't wait for 100% certain conclusions because it won't happen. Scientists never say that something is 100% sure... Hell they still have debates on gravity! So the only day that we'll know for sure is if we don't do anything and the world gets in disasters.

I wouldn't want to wait till then.