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Commando on 10 July 2008

Personally I don't believe that global warming is a real, and/or iminent threat. I imagine that weather patterns behave this way and if we could look at an honest long term graph that would present us with a better evaluation of what we are seeing.



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Rath on 10 July 2008

I hate it how everyone goes on about how global warming was invented by the liberal media. They ignore major scientific groups such as the IPCC (which is made up of something over 2000 scientific experts) that say anthropogenic climate change is likely to be real.



Timmah! on 11 July 2008
Rath said:
I hate it how everyone goes on about how global warming was invented by the liberal media. They ignore major scientific groups such as the IPCC (which is made up of something over 2000 scientific experts) that say anthropogenic climate change is likely to be real.

 

Except for the fact that the wording of their report was VERY politically driven and many of the scientists quit in disgust because of this. Even though many of those scientists requested that their names not be included in the final report because they disagreed with it, their names were still included. The IPCC report had scientists involved, but the decision making on the final report was driven by bureaucrats who have a political agenda.



Broncos724 on 11 July 2008
Rath said:
I hate it how everyone goes on about how global warming was invented by the liberal media. They ignore major scientific groups such as the IPCC (which is made up of something over 2000 scientific experts) that say anthropogenic climate change is likely to be real.

 

 And of course these large scientific groups are never influenced in any way by outside forces...



Timmah! on 11 July 2008
Broncos724 said:
Rath said:
I hate it how everyone goes on about how global warming was invented by the liberal media. They ignore major scientific groups such as the IPCC (which is made up of something over 2000 scientific experts) that say anthropogenic climate change is likely to be real.

 

 And of course these large scientific groups are never influenced in any way by outside forces...

Like funding or fame? No, they would never be concerned about money or anything us normal humans worry ourselves with, they're SCIENTISTS, and we all know that scientists are the only perfect humans on the planet. How could you suggest such a thing!??

 



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Timmah! on 11 July 2008
Dogs Rule said:
I did not address that specific issue because it is getting late here, and I had to swim to cool off since I have a very low tolerance to heat. :)
I simply would not have time tonight to follow your link, just like I did not have time today to follow Mr. Elite's links from yesturday. I hope to have an occasion to do so. I may leave this thread and try to start an energy efficientcy/alternative energy thread in the not too distant future. Reason being is that neither camp in the controversial global warming debate will ever convince the other of anything. We are pretty much talking amonst ourselves right now since the only people revisiting the thread is those who already have an active steak in it. A new thread will allow me to discuss (including with dissenters) my true interest which is energy effiicientcy and alternative energy. I'll still check in with this thread though.

Regarding the media:
Yes, they will always be biased and guilty of laziness or demagogy(not sure if that is an english word) on both sides. I say this both for the pro-climate change mainstream (liberal) media which tries to scare viewers into tuning in and also for the conservative (talk-radio) anti-global warming media that tries to rally up callers who are afraid that liberals will take away their freedoms and cut into their lifestyle choises (such as owning big SUVs).

I hope that clarifies my omition to your liking. :) I'm off to bed. I'll tune back in tomorrow.

Well put. I'm somewhere in the middle of these. I listen to anything I can, from watching CNN, reading liberal blogs on the subject, and listening to talk radio from time to time. What I see is two extremes and not much balance from anybody on either side. Denying any possibility that global warming exists, or denying any possibility that scientist's educated guesses could be wrong are both somewhat naive in my opinion. I simply believe it's been overstated by the mainstream media and turned into somewhat of a frenzy.