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Kasz216 said:

PS3 launched the 20 gig PS3 at like $950 in Mexico right?

I mean... not conclusive i guess... but i mean... come on.

Seriously, the PS3 comes with a financing plan in mexico.

Anyone in northern mexico who wants a PS3 is just going to cross the border for one.

360 is the cheapest system in Mexico... and has been for a while to my knowledge.

 

Only the 80gb model was launched in mexico for $743 dollars in august 2007. Using the data we have for vghartz numbers to compare that means the ps3 would have to have sold on average 3,715 per month, whilst at the same time the xbox360 which launched in febuary 2006 would have sold 18,064 per month and the wii would have to have sold 42,788 per month on average.



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cookingyourmama said:
Kasz216 said:

PS3 launched the 20 gig PS3 at like $950 in Mexico right?

I mean... not conclusive i guess... but i mean... come on.

Seriously, the PS3 comes with a financing plan in mexico.

Anyone in northern mexico who wants a PS3 is just going to cross the border for one.

360 is the cheapest system in Mexico... and has been for a while to my knowledge.

 

Only the 80gb model was launched in mexico for $743 dollars in august 2007. Using the data we have for vghartz numbers to compare that means the ps3 would have to have sold on average 3,715 per month, whilst at the same time the xbox360 which launched in febuary 2006 would have sold 18,064 per month and the wii would have to have sold 42,788 per month on average.

PS3 cost $800 here and the Xbox360 and Wii get modded to play copies , that make them sold more than PS3.

 



                       Thanks Blacksaber for the sig                  Tag:"Nintendo es toda la diversión de esta generación"

Back to the topic at hand, I think it's rather ridiculous to use NPD mish moshed figures to calcluate LTD Americas sales for the Wii when we have Nintendo's own shipment figures.

We all know that the inventory levels for the Americas on the Wii is very, very low. So it's logical that Nintendo's shipment numbers will be very close to the consumer numbers in the Americas.

So what does that leave us? Well you can believe the estimated NPD mishmosh presented above. Or you can believe VGC which is very close to Nintendo's shipment numbers.

It's you're choice. I'll side on precise data rather than an amalgam of estimates.

I'm not saying NPD is wrong. I'm saying the way people are using NPD to calculate LTD sales for the Americas is wrong.



FishyJoe said:

Back to the topic at hand, I think it's rather ridiculous to use NPD mish moshed figures to calcluate LTD Americas sales for the Wii when we have Nintendo's own shipment figures.

We all know that the inventory levels for the Americas on the Wii is very, very low. So it's logical that Nintendo's shipment numbers will be very close to the consumer numbers in the Americas.

So what does that leave us? Well you can believe the estimated NPD mishmosh presented above. Or you can believe VGC which is very close to Nintendo's shipment numbers.

It's you're choice. I'll side on precise data rather than an amalgam of estimates.

I'm not saying NPD is wrong. I'm saying the way people are using NPD to calculate LTD sales for the Americas is wrong.


Very well said... Unfortunately, this kind of thinking is beyond a large part of the typical internet "hardcore" gamer and media. NPD kind of entrenched itself in the minds of many as the "definitive" sales source to be used blindly.

 



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NPD data is aggregated by sites as IGN.After the last data Wii is at 10.2 ,X360 at 10.3 and PS3 had some 4.8 million.We have to remember this is only USA ,not Canada.Adding Canada it would add some 1 million Wii ,700K X360 and 350K PS3.

As to how it compares to Vgchartz you can see by yourself after those numbers.Wii overtracked by nearly 1million,X360 overtracked too by a big number but not as much and PS3 very close.

When I make my counts about worlwide userbases I always use NPD data for America to get a better idea.



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cookingyourmama said:

I posted this in another thread not so long ago:

 

Their is a big difference between vgchartz american numbers and npd's for the wii and 360 but not for the ps3. Now i'm not saying who is right and who is wrong i'm just stating the facts that the two sets of numbers are very different.

As of the end of may 2008 npd total ltd's are this:

PS3 - 4,450,000
Wii - 10,180,000
360 - 10,270,000

When you add in canada's numbers which is a combination of reported numbers and % estimates based on previous american numbers compared to the same month of canadian numbers you get:

PS3 - 4,911,806
Wii - 11,121,396
360 - 11,111,757

Now comparing that to vgchartz numbers for the same time you get:

npd+canada  4,911,806 - vgc  4,943,560 - +31,754
npd+canada 11,121,396 - vgc 11,891,587 - +770,191
npd+canada 11,111,757 - vgc 11,599,497 - +487,740

The ps3 numbers are almost identical with vgchartz being +31,754 higher

The wii ltd number is vastly above npd's ltd number at +770,191 higher. Anybody who thinks being over three quaters of a million isn't a significantly higher number needs their head checked.

The 360's number is again well above npd's ltd number at +487,740 higher. That's almost half a million.

Now if all 3 consoles were roughly the same when it came to being higher or lower to npd's numbers i wouldn't say anything but the fact their is such a huge difference is something that can't be ignored.

Exactly ,you have the numbers right(I spoke by memory in my previous post).But dont tell this too loud ,fanboys on the site will jump at your neck and you can be even banned for "conspiracy theories".

 



Diomedes1976 said:
NPD data is aggregated by sites as IGN.After the last data Wii is at 10.2 ,X360 at 10.3 and PS3 had some 4.8 million.We have to remember this is only USA ,not Canada.Adding Canada it would add some 1 million Wii ,700K X360 and 350K PS3.

As to how it compares to Vgchartz you can see by yourself after those numbers.Wii overtracked by some 1 million,X360 overtracked too by nearly the same amount and PS3 somewhat undertracked but very close.

When I make my counts about worlwide userbases I always use NPD data for America to get a better idea.

Oh really? 1 million units you say?

Well according to Nintendo's financial report, Wii shipments for the Americas is at 10.61 million on March 31, 2008.

VGC has 10.38 million sales for the Americas on April, 5, 2008.

So are you saying that there were 1.2 million Wiis sitting on American store shelves at the end of March? Because if VGC were a million off, that would be the case.



FishyJoe said:

1. Back to the topic at hand, I think it's rather ridiculous to use NPD mish moshed figures to calcluate LTD Americas sales for the Wii when we have Nintendo's own shipment figures.

2. We all know that the inventory levels for the Americas on the Wii is very, very low. So it's logical that Nintendo's shipment numbers will be very close to the consumer numbers in the Americas.

So what does that leave us? Well you can believe the estimated NPD mishmosh presented above. Or you can believe VGC which is very close to Nintendo's shipment numbers.

It's you're choice. I'll side on precise data rather than an amalgam of estimates.

I'm not saying NPD is wrong. I'm saying the way people are using NPD to calculate LTD sales for the Americas is wrong.

 

1. Could you post conclusive proof that since the start of this console generation npd have infact gone back and changed their numbers.

2. Can you post conclusive proof that in south america the wii's inventory levels are low. Also can you post some proof of how many wii's are in transit at any one time in the america's.



cookingyourmama said:
FishyJoe said:

1. Back to the topic at hand, I think it's rather ridiculous to use NPD mish moshed figures to calcluate LTD Americas sales for the Wii when we have Nintendo's own shipment figures.

2. We all know that the inventory levels for the Americas on the Wii is very, very low. So it's logical that Nintendo's shipment numbers will be very close to the consumer numbers in the Americas.

So what does that leave us? Well you can believe the estimated NPD mishmosh presented above. Or you can believe VGC which is very close to Nintendo's shipment numbers.

It's you're choice. I'll side on precise data rather than an amalgam of estimates.

I'm not saying NPD is wrong. I'm saying the way people are using NPD to calculate LTD sales for the Americas is wrong.

 

1. Could you post conclusive proof that since the start of this console generation npd have infact gone back and changed their numbers.

2. Can you post conclusive proof that in south america the wii's inventory levels are low. Also can you post some proof of how many wii's are in transit at any one time in the america's.

I can't comment on #1 except to say that all tracking firms in all industries adjust their numbers after the fact as more accurate numbers (say Nintendo's financial report) come in; they do this so that they can have the most up to date and accurate totals, and as a way to fix their estimates and improve their forecasting.

As for #2, the truth is that Nintendo is not going to be flooding the market of developing nations with Millions of systems because any surplus inventory will (potentially) remain unsold or be stolen. For the whole of Latin America I would be surprised to hear of more than 100,000 Wii systems that were shipped but unsold.



cookingyourmama said:

I posted this in another thread not so long ago:

 

Their is a big difference between vgchartz american numbers and npd's for the wii and 360 but not for the ps3. Now i'm not saying who is right and who is wrong i'm just stating the facts that the two sets of numbers are very different.

As of the end of may 2008 npd total ltd's are this:

PS3 - 4,450,000
Wii - 10,180,000
360 - 10,270,000

When you add in canada's numbers which is a combination of reported numbers and % estimates based on previous american numbers compared to the same month of canadian numbers you get:

PS3 - 4,911,806
Wii - 11,121,396
360 - 11,111,757

Now comparing that to vgchartz numbers for the same time you get:

npd+canada  4,911,806 - vgc  4,943,560 - +31,754
npd+canada 11,121,396 - vgc 11,891,587 - +770,191
npd+canada 11,111,757 - vgc 11,599,497 - +487,740

The ps3 numbers are almost identical with vgchartz being +31,754 higher

The wii ltd number is vastly above npd's ltd number at +770,191 higher. Anybody who thinks being over three quaters of a million isn't a significantly higher number needs their head checked.

The 360's number is again well above npd's ltd number at +487,740 higher. That's almost half a million.

Now if all 3 consoles were roughly the same when it came to being higher or lower to npd's numbers i wouldn't say anything but the fact their is such a huge difference is something that can't be ignored.

 

So if you take your value for America's LTD sales based on NPD at the end of may for the Wii:

11,121,396

Subtract May and April:

April: 714k
May: 675k

Subtract a 10% each month for Canada.

(714k + 675k)*.1 = 138k

That means that Amercas sales based on your calcluations for the end of March is at:

9.6 million

Do you really think there were 1 million excess Wii's either on store shelves or in shipment at the end of March in the Americas. Because that's what your analysis amounts to.