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Dolla Dolla said:
Cobretti said:
footbag said:
If this was true, then the console (Wii) must already be in development. I'm surprised we didn't hear anything about this sooner. Unless Pachter is just pulling out of his ass.


this is nintendo your talking about lol. They don't reveal nothing. IF they are gonna reveal anything it be pointless this year as alot of people get pissed off. My guess is if anything will happen with a HD wii then it will be announced at E3 next year or two, and it would launch for christmas 2009. My guess is on the latter since 2008 launch would be stupid since the current wii is selling well....


The ONLY way Nintendo would EVER release another console by 2009 is if the Wii really WAS a fad and started selling exactly how the PS3 is selling now.

A three year life cycle is idiocy.


Just to add, the Wii2 is in development. That development started the day after the Wii was finished. Nintendo has stated several times that the development process starts as soon as they release a new product.

But it wont be here for a while. And if Nintendo really dominates, when the PS4 and Xbox720 are released, Nintendo may just stick with the Wii and continue to dominate.



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DRJ said:
Dolla Dolla said:
Cobretti said:
footbag said:
If this was true, then the console (Wii) must already be in development. I'm surprised we didn't hear anything about this sooner. Unless Pachter is just pulling out of his ass.


this is nintendo your talking about lol. They don't reveal nothing. IF they are gonna reveal anything it be pointless this year as alot of people get pissed off. My guess is if anything will happen with a HD wii then it will be announced at E3 next year or two, and it would launch for christmas 2009. My guess is on the latter since 2008 launch would be stupid since the current wii is selling well....


The ONLY way Nintendo would EVER release another console by 2009 is if the Wii really WAS a fad and started selling exactly how the PS3 is selling now.

A three year life cycle is idiocy.


Just to add, the Wii2 is in development. That development started the day after the Wii was finished. Nintendo has stated several times that the development process starts as soon as they release a new product.

But it wont be here for a while. And if Nintendo really dominates, when the PS4 and Xbox720 are released, Nintendo may just stick with the Wii and continue to dominate.


 Just to add, pass me the weed.



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DRJ said:
Dolla Dolla said:
Cobretti said:
footbag said:
If this was true, then the console (Wii) must already be in development. I'm surprised we didn't hear anything about this sooner. Unless Pachter is just pulling out of his ass.


this is nintendo your talking about lol. They don't reveal nothing. IF they are gonna reveal anything it be pointless this year as alot of people get pissed off. My guess is if anything will happen with a HD wii then it will be announced at E3 next year or two, and it would launch for christmas 2009. My guess is on the latter since 2008 launch would be stupid since the current wii is selling well....


The ONLY way Nintendo would EVER release another console by 2009 is if the Wii really WAS a fad and started selling exactly how the PS3 is selling now.

A three year life cycle is idiocy.


Just to add, the Wii2 is in development. That development started the day after the Wii was finished. Nintendo has stated several times that the development process starts as soon as they release a new product.

But it wont be here for a while. And if Nintendo really dominates, when the PS4 and Xbox720 are released, Nintendo may just stick with the Wii and continue to dominate.


 Doubtful, they will still release the Uss, but will likely keep the Wii out as long as sales continue



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Oh look, another "PS3 can still win" articel. To be honest, these will never be right unless they go by the current market treand.

Even noww, in this console race, it's going to fallow the normal flow. Who ever is doing well will get the Development support and get the buys attanttion. Console DON'T I repeat DON'T come back. It's for this reason. Once one skyrockets developers and buyers get behind it. If one fubbled, everyone ignors it, or points and laugh. Even with a price cut PS3 still won't have the public's attention, and not that of the gamers. They've made their desision. That's how it works, and that's how it's going to work. Don't beleive me. Well, look at how the Wii is viewed at by the Media, and 360 amounst gamers, verses the PS3. Look at how many developers are upping on the Wii while PS3 projects move to the 360.

Also, the Wiimote will become better overtime. Like the DS, the first line of games sucked.



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It takes time for things to set in.

2006 - PS3 will dominate
2007 - PS3 will come back and dominate at some point IF a bunch of things happen.
2008 - PS3 will get a solid second place far ahead of 360.
2009 - PS3 still has a chance to sell gamecube/xbox levels.
2010 - ... Umm, PS4 will dominate, repeat.



TheSource said:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25843

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter has told GamesIndustry.biz that he believes a higher spec, HD-enabled "Wii 2" could be on the shelves "in a couple of years".

Pachter's comments came in response to those made by SEGA executive Scott Steinberg, who expressed concern about the long term future of Nintendo's console.

"I think that a lot of people consider the Wii a "fad", and attribute that conclusion to the type of people who have been attracted to the Wii so far," Pachter said, observing that many publishers "don't know what to do with" the new demographics of female and older gamers.

"Sega, of course, has games like Sonic that resonate well with this audience, so I'm not singling them out as having an issue, but it appears to me that these non-traditional consumers baffle most of the publishers," he continued.

"As they are unaccustomed to dealing with them this early in the cycle, they have to justify their oversight in not anticipating the strength of the Wii with this group by labelling the group as having no staying power, resulting in the labelling of the Wii as a fad."

With regard to Steinberg's suggestion that developers are reaching the limits of creative possibility when it comes to the Wii's remote control, Pachter said, "I can't begin to imagine what is on the drawing board for the Wii, but I can say that most developers I've spoken with are extemely excited about the potential for the console... I believe that we've only just scratched the surface.

"Also, Scott's analysis presupposes that we have seen the last in hardware innovation from Nintendo," he went on.

"I disagree. It's easy to envision a Wii 2 in a couple of years that runs at full HD, and has both a Wii-mote and an analog controller, so that all games can be ported to it.

"If Nintendo were to introduce such a device, it would be fully comparable to the Xbox 360 - perhaps it wouldn't have Blu-ray, so a comparison to the PS3 may be unfair - and would likely have most of the same third party content as the other two devices."

But Pachter did agree with Steinberg that the PS3 "will ultimately come out on top". Victory, he predicted, will be the result of a console price cut to USD 199 and the success of Blu-ray.

Price point is key, said Pachter - observing that 80 per cent of all Xboxes sold in the US were purchased for USD 199 or less, with the figure approximately the same for PlayStation 2.

"Sony is around 6 million units behind Microsoft, and should be able to make up the gap - barely - by 2009 if they price the console correctly. They will likely be 9 million units behind the Wii by the end of this year, so it may take a bit longer to catch Nintendo, likely 2011 or so," Pachter concluded.


Is this guy crazy? Still predicting PS3 to be the champ? Ahh Pahchter, ever the Sonybot.

 

Anyways, from the topic title Wii with HD, I though he meant Wii with a hard drive. I find it funny how Wii is currently 100% tard pack, yet it doesn't catch any flack for that. It's not right. Why does everybody constantly bash 360 core pack, yet 100% of the most popular console sold is a tard pack and nobody says a word.



He is basing this on the comments the sega guy made? The same sega guy that released a new Press release earlier TODAY RETRACTING WHAT HE SAID YESTERDAY?

GG Pachter. You are truly a winner.



sharky said:
 

Is this guy crazy? Still predicting PS3 to be the champ? Ahh Pahchter, ever the Sonybot.

 

Anyways, from the topic title Wii with HD, I though he meant Wii with a hard drive. I find it funny how Wii is currently 100% tard pack, yet it doesn't catch any flack for that. It's not right. Why does everybody constantly bash 360 core pack, yet 100% of the most popular console sold is a tard pack and nobody says a word.


Cause you know a lot more than this guy does right? 

The tard pack thing makes no sense at all because the Wii is not even going for what the 360 is going for. 



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sharky said:

Anyways, from the topic title Wii with HD, I though he meant Wii with a hard drive. I find it funny how Wii is currently 100% tard pack, yet it doesn't catch any flack for that. It's not right. Why does everybody constantly bash 360 core pack, yet 100% of the most popular console sold is a tard pack and nobody says a word.

Nobody says a word, cause not having an HD isn't a hindrance to most Wii users. I've downloaded the free content, I've bought some games, I've got saves from every game. I'm nowhere even close to filling up the included 512MiB. Once I do get there, I'll have a choice between buying a standard 2GiB SD, or even one of those non-standard 4GiB SDs that work with the Wii, for none of which I'll pay Nintendo tax. Either way, I'd have to spend upwards of $1000 in downloadable content to fill those up. Then, I could either buy more SDs, or back all of that stuff up to my PC.

Can you even save games on the Core without forking an extra $40+ for a memory unit? Also, at $100/GiB+, and a max. of 1GiB per Xbox, memory units really don't look that good. Actually, they look so bad, you're better off buying an HD anyway. Or spending $20 more for the Premium. I guess that's where the bashing comes from. If they included even the 64MiB unit, all'd be sweet.



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