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Bingoo on 01 July 2008
Jandre002 said:
I dont mean this sarcastically at all, so please don't take it that way.

With Too Human seemingly not being all it was cut out to be, what exclusive games remain in the 360's lineup this year that will be hits?

I know Gears 2 and Fable 2. Past those two games, what other games are 360 fans looking forwards too(please look at the wording before you blow up on me.)

It just seems like last year both the PS3 and 360 were touting epic line-ups for this year, but all the exclusives bailed out until 2009.

 

 being a owner of al 3 consoles, i would still have to say im more excited about the 360 lineup then the ps3 lineup for the rest of the year.

Too human will be a good game, probably not a great game, but a good game.

Banjo should be awsome, i cant wait for that. And its possible halo wars could show this year.

Then again if white knight story makes it it could be a close call to what my favorite console lineup is.

 



Owner of all consoles cept DS.....Currently in love with prototype!

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windbane on 01 July 2008
mrstickball said:
flagship said:

ME is a great game but unless you're horrible at shooters or are playing on the harder difficulty settings you need go on the sidequests and if you avoid them it's about a 10-15 game for the average player. Still since I don't recall any mention of sidequests Too Human could easily be a 10 hour game total, which isn't bad by MGS standards but is a little lacking for an RPG.

 

 

 Not quite. ME is 15 hours if you don't care about sidequests, or enjoying the game at all. I'd love to see how many VGC-ers can honestly say they got the Completionist Achievement + Ally Achievemen (or either/or) in 15hrs, and still enjoyed the game at all. Heck, the dialogue alone, reading/listening to all available options takes atleast that much alone!

And you can play ME without being good at shooters. I'm on my 3rd playthrough, and am finally going though the game without using weapons very much. Picking a Technician yields an entirely different game than the TPS that ME is known for.

Don't get me wrong, I beat it in a little under 25hrs on my 2nd playthrough, getting the Ally achievement(s) for 2 characters, but I zoomed through most things that I had already done, and had various achievements unlocked that made the game easier for me. Either most of these posters are doing speed runs, missing a ton of content, or doing something I haven't seen. Heck, just getting off of the Citadel, and finishing all quests there is 3hrs alone. Armstrong Cluster missions - all 5 - take atleast 3hrs if your rushing. That's 6hrs for just 2 areas!


The criticism I've heard are that the sidequests are rather generic and get old. Also, if you don't care about playing a game to get a certain achievement, generic sidequests will not appeal to you. That said, I think short games are great, which is why I enjoyed Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet (played 3 times), Assassin's Creed, etc). I very much look forward to playing Mass Effect on PC, too. I love Bioware.

I think people complaining about 10 hours of gameplay are lame. That's plenty. I'm more worried about the game not being very fun to play. Diablo 1 and 2 didn't take that long to finish, but the quest for loot and beating the game on the 2 higher difficulties keeps you going. Kotaku didn't seem to like the game, either, so that worries me more than the "short" length. Oh, and Diablo 1 allowed 4 players and Diablo 2 allowed 8.

I looked forward to playing this with a friend I've been playing Earth Defense Force and Gears with, but I guess I'll wait for reviews now. Btw, the guy that said this game hasn't been hyped: way wrong. Dennis Dyac is everywhere promoting this game.



Stats87 on 01 July 2008
Strategyking92 said:
Stats87 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Gobias said:
So it's basically going to be the 360's Haze?

 

we have already had our Haze, it was called vampire rain and ps3 owners are getting it soon.

 

This may be another (less hyped) shadowrun. So it will at least get into the 70's.

 

Haze was a average/medicore game from a great developer with a moderate amount of hype


Vampire Rain was an awful game from an average developer with no hype and previews that made fun of it


Not quite the same thing

 

 

what's worse though, a hyped game that ends up sucking, or a game everyone knows will suck ends up sucking?

 

I'm not saying what is worse one way or another, I'm just saying that it isn't a good comparison

 



Stats87 on 01 July 2008
DMeisterJ said:
10 years in development for 10 hours of gameplay.

 

1 Hour per year!



MorgZ on 01 July 2008

its not all bad news. Perhaps the worst bit was 10 hours but thats aroudn the same length as Gears of War SP and Halo 3 Sp depending on your difficulty level. If the 10 hours is good fun and, more importantly, the online coop is executed well this game could still score 80%+ and be worth picking up for £30.



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epinefridis on 01 July 2008

I'll tell you what.
Something changed in the air over the past 2 weeks. Lots of negativity and bashing against 360. What the hell happened? I honestly don't know. What I clearly can notice is that all the "major" sites, are crawling with Sony fanboys who try to bash EVERYTHING that has to do with 360, in every possible way. Yesterday it was the Trophy system that will crash achievements, today is the HORRIBLE Too Human and the 12 hour long Mass Effect (ARE YOU ON CRACK?), tomorrow is gonna be... oh, I don't know...
All I see, is that 360 supporters, are massively abandon the forums because they are SICK and TIRED and these are infected by a constant bashing that it's like no rational person can afford it.
Still, 360 is the console that ALL multis run BEST (watch out the latest Face off with GRID and Indiana Jones), and after MGS4, it has the most desireable line up for this year (and the year to come may I add).

Too Human, is gonna be a descent and enjoyable game. 2 years ago, everyone was horrified by the E3 demonstration. And 2 years later, there are just some ...issues that the previewer doesn't feel comfortable with.
About the longevity, can you seriously base your opinion in a hasty and harried preview playthrough from someone that needs to get it on the internet as fast as he can so his site gains the most publicity?

And 360 haters, stop doing that. Your biggest game since PS3 launch is in your hands. Play it and enjoy it. But that doesn't seem to be enough for you anymore, does it? So my conclusion is that you DON"T have any idea about gaming. That's all...



Bingoo on 01 July 2008
epinefridis said:
I'll tell you what.
Something changed in the air over the past 2 weeks. Lots of negativity and bashing against 360. What the hell happened? I honestly don't know. What I clearly can notice is that all the "major" sites, are crawling with Sony fanboys who try to bash EVERYTHING that has to do with 360, in every possible way. Yesterday it was the Trophy system that will crash achievements, today is the HORRIBLE Too Human and the 12 hour long Mass Effect (ARE YOU ON CRACK?), tomorrow is gonna be... oh, I don't know...
All I see, is that 360 supporters, are massively abandon the forums because they are SICK and TIRED and these are infected by a constant bashing that it's like no rational person can afford it.
Still, 360 is the console that ALL multis run BEST (watch out the latest Face off with GRID and Indiana Jones), and after MGS4, it has the most desireable line up for this year (and the year to come may I add).

Too Human, is gonna be a descent and enjoyable game. 2 years ago, everyone was horrified by the E3 demonstration. And 2 years later, there are just some ...issues that the previewer doesn't feel comfortable with.
About the longevity, can you seriously base your opinion in a hasty and harried preview playthrough from someone that needs to get it on the internet as fast as he can so his site gains the most publicity?

And 360 haters, stop doing that. Your biggest game since PS3 launch is in your hands. Play it and enjoy it. But that doesn't seem to be enough for you anymore, does it? So my conclusion is that you DON"T have any idea about gaming. That's all...

cookie for you

 



Owner of all consoles cept DS.....Currently in love with prototype!

mysticD on 01 July 2008

amen epinefridis

It's seems this place is becoming as bad as that other forum that are run rampant with mods that troll on 360 trend and bash everything that is 360.

Anyway, when was this game suppose to be AAA?? It was shown at E3 several years ago and everyone then said it's going to suck. The game that gone through so many delay usually don't turn out well. I certainly never expect this game to be spectacular. I never read any hype here for this game anyway and the other forums people usually bash it to the ground.

The trailer look pretty good, but it look a lot like Dynasty Warrior with may be better graphics and better game play. I might pick it up if it has split-screen co-op (doesn't seem like it though...) appear to be on-line co-op only.

I like how Sony-fanboy can run around here bash, trolling away at 360



epinefridis on 01 July 2008

Thanks guys, but it seems like I can't do (and nobody can) anything to stop the flood. I suppose the vast majority of the 360 owners are too busy playing their "B class" (my ass) games. I expected that PS3 fans would disappear for some time from the forums. They said that they would play MGS4 all the summer, didn't they? Well, sadly, that just didn't happen...



starcraft on 01 July 2008
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Machina-AX said:
I wouldn't expect it to be AAA now (90+% average review score) but then again I never did. I'll keep an eye on it though, looks to be worth a rent or trial at least.

AAA doesn't mean 90%+.  Starcraft just made that up because at this time, early cycle, 360 has more 90%+ games than PS3. Convenient when, by other metrics, like average score and such, PS3 is ahead. 

And of course, the improved-in-nearly-every-way PS3 version of Overlord has a lower metacritic score than the 360 version, which goes to show that metacritic can't be used to make a static determination of a game's quality, since the PS3 version of Overlord is just better than the 360 version.

Starcraft did nothing of the sort.  Do you have a more objective means of determining a AAA standard?

You realise that its very easy to have a higher average score when you're console's software sales are so low as to not justify the porting of shovelware en masse?

As to Overlord?  Have you played each version in its entirety?  Because according to the most objective standard we have, the Xbox 360 version "is just better."

 



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