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Those who say you don't have to sneak much. Obviously you're playing on easy, killing everyone, getting spotted and alerts. The game on harder levels is hard and in many ways you are forced to stealth. Take the ship bow. If you get spotted once - you might as well reset the game as you will be fighting all night trying to get pass. Now I can get pass in 2 mins - but that is after working out the best route (which is one of many). You have to time your self and wait for the npc's to move.

Play hard or big boss extreme - you make even footsteps or they spot you running in the shadows, you can beat your ass a tranq gun is not going to save you. In the harder levels your tranquiler gun will require multiple shots to knock someone out and even that is not going to be easy i.e. alerts others.

I think the game is brilliant. I have played it through 4 times, and each time was different as I tried a different way, different tactic. Act 2 there are like three main routes you can take and intertwine them if you like.

I can't believe that people think the game is easy or boring ;/ oh, and the review was meh... funny but meh... I think the humor is a bit off - but maybe that's an Aussie vs the mother country taste - we have history you know :P



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very funny review, he made some fair points



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ZenfoldorVGI said:

This is the reason that I consider MGS4 a niche game, in a sense. Sales have nothing to do with it. Watch the review, and understand where I'm coming from when I claim the series is niche, and despite monumental sales, it sold largely to pre-existing fans of the series, or off hype, and those who bought it based off hype probably didn't like it as much as they convinced themselves they did. This game is not universally appealing, and in fact, appeals only to one particular group of gamers, those who have played MGS1 and 3.

That said, I think the game is amazing, as a long term fan of the series, and though the dialogue isn't movie-level, it certainly isn't badly written, perhaps just poorly edited.

 

Dude, don't ever use Zero Punctuation to prove a point.

Do you think Final Fantasy is niche, too? I believe you like JRPGs, if I recall correctly (correct me if I'm wrong)...that dude hates all JRPGs. He's negative about most games, and even the ones that are positive reviews receive criticism.

"Niche" autotmatically implies low sales. What the hell else is niche? There isn't a game out there that everybody likes, but if a lot of people like it, it's not niche. Games that sell a lot from hype aren't niche. It has fairly universal appeal except for the vocal minority, especially on this site.

I agree with your last paragraph sentence, though.



finalsquall said:

Those who say you don't have to sneak much. Obviously you're playing on easy, killing everyone, getting spotted and alerts. The game on harder levels is hard and in many ways you are forced to stealth. Take the ship bow. If you get spotted once - you might as well reset the game as you will be fighting all night trying to get pass. Now I can get pass in 2 mins - but that is after working out the best route (which is one of many). You have to time your self and wait for the npc's to move.

Play hard or big boss extreme - you make even footsteps or they spot you running in the shadows, you can beat your ass a tranq gun is not going to save you. In the harder levels your tranquiler gun will require multiple shots to knock someone out and even that is not going to be easy i.e. alerts others.

I think the game is brilliant. I have played it through 4 times, and each time was different as I tried a different way, different tactic. Act 2 there are like three main routes you can take and intertwine them if you like.

I can't believe that people think the game is easy or boring ;/ oh, and the review was meh... funny but meh... I think the humor is a bit off - but maybe that's an Aussie vs the mother country taste - we have history you know :P

 

Yeah, although you can use the traq sniper, too, and that takes fewer shots.  But if you miss 1 guy the game goes into caution mode and there are even more guys to dodge.  It takes skill to not get spotted.

If you do get alert modes, it isn't easy to get through on the harder difficulties.  Either way is a challenge.

Also, I rarely use first-person mode, and yat mentioned that you have to hit 3 buttons.  It's 2 for over-the-shoulder, and a lot of games use a shoulder button to aim.  It's a great combo of 3rd person, rotating camera and over-the-shoulder shooting.  No one else has complained about the controls from what I've seen.

But, as always, the guy is funny.



He sounds right, though I haven't played it. Didn't the creator of Gears of War have a similar criticism? It sounds like either MGS4 is fantastic and you will love it, or you will find it very boring.



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His reviews shouldn't be taken too seriously (though he does cite valid criticisms in his videos), but they should still be watched because they're very entertaining and hilarious.



Z-Punc can be hilarious when skewering bad games or bloatware masquerading as greatness, but this episode was a complete washout. There's so much comedy waiting to be mined from the MGS world, which contains copious doses of self-parody, but he didn't extract a microgram of it.

I mean, I could come up with a better premise in my sleep. How about "Metal Gear Punctuation: Reviews of the Patriots"? How about some slashing references to certain geopolitical actors we could all name? Come on, dude, you can do better.



I's this that British humor,because I do not find this funny or entertaining.



*bleu-ocelot* said:
I's this that British humor,because I do not find this funny or entertaining.

 

 I take it you're typing this while trying to pick out which window of his to break?



I wonder if those of you that think that MGSs story is a masterpiece have read much literature, or watched quality acting. How is the story saying anything new or insightful? How can someone listen to an otacon monologue without groaning? If they made a movie, they'd put Keanu Reeves in his spot!

I guess it's the same crown that thought that The Matrix's story was revolutionary.