super_etecoon said:
tarheel91 said:
super_etecoon said:
tarheel91 said:
super_etecoon said:
MrBubbles said:
although i believe he is probably fascist...i dont believe there is enough evidence yet support such a statement. |
Dramatic Irony FTW. |
I didn't think dramatic irony was possible outside of literature? Who's the audience in this case? |
From Wikipedia: Dramatic (or tragic) irony is a disparity of expression and awareness: when words and actions possess a significance that the listener or audience understands, but the speaker or character does not. Everyone in this thread, of course, is the audience. And the key to dramatic irony is that the speaker doesn't realize it was an ironic statement. And, btw, everything in literature is possible outside literature....where do you think they get their muse? |
Well, see there's the problem. We have a fundamentally different view of forums. I look at the people in the thread as people involved in a conversation. Obviously, it's not one way. They can speak. Thus, they're involved in what's going on and are not the audience. I see situational irony. You would not expect him to take a joke seriously, but he, in fact, does. However, those words do not hold any particular value, so they couldn't be dramatic irony even in a speaker and audience situation. Edit: @Super: Yeah, that last reply confirmed it. You're mixing situational irony with dramatic irony. Situational is where they do the opposite of what is expected. This, he did. However, dramatic irony is where the speaker unknowingly says something of significant value while the audience realizes it. |
We're arguing semantics here. I consider every speaker to have an audience. And the audience here (for whom I made the comment) understood the irony implicit in Mr. Bubbles' statement. I won't bother with this particular debate....since I consider it moot and extremely boring to those who don't find the nuances of irony as fascinating as you and I. |
It still holds no significant value. What he said was simply not what you'd expect. Thus, it's clearly situational. Dramatic would be like someone saying "What'd he ever do to you? It's not like he killed your family." When, in fact, the person he's speaking of has, unbeknown to them, just killed his family. It's not just that they spoke of something without knowing of it; it's that what they said holds particular value in the realm of what's going on.
Here's another example: In Hawthorne's "The Scarlet Letter," when Hester is in the governor's garden to see to it that Pearl is not taken away from her, she asks the Reverend Dimmesdale to support her position. This is an example of dramatic irony as the reader knows that Dimmesdale and Hester are partners in sin, but the characters do not.
Edit: That's all I have to say. I'm finished, haha.
