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The_vagabond7 said:
I sort of agree with Shameless. The wii has the least spoils of any victorious console to show for right now, and unless 3rd party support changes big time in the next year (which is looking less likely), it's going to be a wierd kind of victory. Not that Nintendo will consider it a "hollow" victory seeing as how they are the second most valuable company in Japan behind Toyota now thanks to the Wii (and DS). I really don't think they are in the least bit worried about 3rd party support with the truckloads of yen they are making due to their victory.

yeah, Nintendo doesn't have any spoils, except all the profit.

@ OP

Unfortunately all of those senarios are very likely and are pretty much all happening at the same time right now.



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disolitude said:

What makes you think developers want to make games that are built for wii strengths?

All of you are saying that developers need to start making great games form the ground up specifically for the wii...however most developers are not interested in taking a step back in technology..


It's true. Developers will almost always choose to raise system requirements rather than optimize performance. They allow ever increasly powerful technology to basically subsidize their laziness. The core functionality of a program like Microsoft Word has barely changed since version 5, but the latest version has many times the system requirements with severe diminishing returns on the utility gained from those resources.

As some smart guy whose name I can't remember put it:

"Software is a gas. It expands to fill its container." - Smart Guy

Fortunately, there's a marketplace where developers compete to sell their products, so they can't be lazy all the time. That would be the obvious answer to your question. I'm surprised it didn't occur to you.



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go out and buy a ps3:) then later get hold of a 360.

you will notice there is actually no comparison what soever especcialy playing online games like cod4 and unreal 3.

having said that there are some good games on the wii, when i get some time i think il invest in some more, at the moment i only have nights and wii sports and a few vc games.

$$$$ wise its a win win win win situation for nintendo as they have broken into a child/family market, theres only a few games that you could call core games though.

but surely there ill be more ground up games like galaxy and zelda. plus its more or less got a built in gamecube in it some gems you can still buy for gamecube



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The Wii is the kind of thing you go to some one elses house to play for 1/2 an hour , you gotta come home to the PS3/360.

Well unless your a girl/elderly/



Imperial said:
The Wii is the kind of thing you go to some one elses house to play for 1/2 an hour , you gotta come home to the PS3/360.

Well unless your a girl/elderly/< 10 years old

Now this is trolling. Which mods are online right now? 



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disolitude said:

What makes you think developers want to make games that are built for wii strengths?

All of you are saying that developers need to start making great games form the ground up specifically for the wii...however most developers are not interested in taking a step back in technology..

Most devs are moving towards developing a hollywood experience in story and presentation...which wii doesn't measure up to compared to ps360...along side having top notch gameplay.And unless you are throwing rocks at the screen, shooting things or playing some active sport like tennis...Wiimote can't really out do a controller. Compare gamplay between no more heroes (considered a AAA game on the wii) and upcoming ninja gaiden 2...I havent played ninja gaiden yet but I'm pretty sure the difference will be laughable.

Those that have passion towards making games want to be on the cutting edge of technology. Do you really think Kojima would go and try to make a MGS for the wii after he finished one for PS3? He sure would...only to make some quick cash.

All wii is good for in the eyes of 3rd party devs is making money...games are cheap to make, lots of consoles sold...lets pump those mini games...
That seems to be the typical attitude for a 3rd party dev.

Some games may be tailor made for the wii's controlls and are better than ps360 ones (new starwars game or sega tennis for example) and thats great...I will buy those games myself over the ps360 versions. But you people can't force devs to get together in a room and figure out a cool way to center a game around the only strength nintendo wii has...aka the wii mote.


 This has an element of truth to it. Game developers want to make the best games possible and the only perceived strength of the Wii is its controller and it remains unclear as to whether that truly offers a superior game experience across the board.

 The other reason why the Wii does not receive quality third party software is incentives. There is little incentive for developers to make quality software on the Wii. Whilst it would be difficult to get numbers on this I would imagine that Wii gamers are inelastic to game budget (with budget as a proxy for quality), that is you can make cheap games without losing a significant amount of sales and you don't gain a significant amount of sales by increasing budget. Therefore why spend more on a game? You'd be better off making a cheap game and using whatever left over funds on another game. Hence, Wii development encourages lower budget games and lower budget game are highly correlated with lower quality games, therefore Wii gamers get lower quality experiences. 

 On the 360 and PS3 you cannot really do this. Gamers on this console appear more likely to be quality elastic and therefore as a developer drops quality they lose a significant amount of sales. As a result there is little incentive to release low quality software on these consoles.

 Quite simply its a matter of economic incentives. Wii fans may now hate Ubisoft but I can assure you that there would be method to their madness (although announcing it is not something I would do), there would be economic models running and analysis taking place and the belief is that there is greater returns to be made making low quality, low budget games that sell reasonally well or not that great than there is making high budget fare that does not necessarily do that much better in sales.

 It is unfortunately, a sad truth that Wii owners will have to get used to and the thing is that it is unlikely to change as there's no reason for the incentives to change. I am sure they will say that I'm wrong and come up with plenty of reasons why I could be but companies react to economic incentives and the economic incentives with regards to the Wii is to make cheap, low budget games.



 
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all that dissimilar to banging ones
head against a wall 

The conclusion is to get a PS3. The Wii looks good next to it.

And it will make Wii-only owners stop complaining

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I like technology when its moving forward..

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okami is getting ported and i think it looks like it could be better on the wii, in terms of game play with the wiimote being used for the painting. I think the issue has more to do with the larger Nintendo Wii demographic, mostly people who just pick up games and dont check them out first. Know what i mean?



 

 

disolitude said:

What makes you think developers want to make games that are built for wii strengths?

All of you are saying that developers need to start making great games form the ground up specifically for the wii...however most developers are not interested in taking a step back in technology..

Developers do not want to make games that are built for wii strengths, they have too. A developer has to make games that are built for the strengths of the console they develop on. Doing otherwise just goes contrary to any wisdom. That's your first failure at logic, but you constantly fail at basic logic through everyone of your post, so I'm not surprised.

Like saying that "most developers are not interested in taking a step back in technology", and yet they make games on Wii that aren't even on par with1st generation PS2 games. Failure at logic and failure at seeing the worl around you.

disolitude said:

And unless you are throwing rocks at the screen, shooting things or playing some active sport like tennis...Wiimote can't really out do a controller. Compare gamplay between no more heroes (considered a AAA game on the wii) and upcoming ninja gaiden 2...I havent played ninja gaiden yet but I'm pretty sure the difference will be laughable.

Still the same failures. Your last sentence itself shows how ridiculous everything you say is, and how nothing you say is based on any objective point or any logic. But I'm pretty sure that being "pretty sure" of the outcome is a good metric. I call that "wishful thinking" and "self fulfilling prophecy", but I can be weird at times.

disolitude said:

Those that have passion towards making games want to be on the cutting edge of technology. Do you really think Kojima would go and try to make a MGS for the wii after he finished one for PS3? He sure would...only to make some quick cash.

So... people that have a passion towards making games also want to make quick cash? And it has enough incentive for making them do what they don't want to do? It's amazing because "most developers are not interested in taking a step back in technology". Or are you saying that "developers... that have passion towards making games... would go and try to make a... game... for the wii... to make some quick cash" ?

disolitude said:

But you people can't force devs to get together in a room and figure out a cool way to center a game around the only strength nintendo wii has...aka the wii mote.

Don't worry, like you demonstrated so well, money will force them do that.

Also, it's sad for you and them that you believe that the only strength of the Wii is the wiimote.

This gen started hilariously, then it calmed down a little, but it seems like there are many laughs to come.



LordTheNightKnight said:
Imperial said:
The Wii is the kind of thing you go to some one elses house to play for 1/2 an hour , you gotta come home to the PS3/360.

Well unless your a girl/elderly/< 10 years old

Now this is trolling. Which mods are online right now?

Well forgive me for stating my opinion.