So I went to the Sony Style store and checked out this uber graphic hotness of the PS3 on an HDTV. They had the PS3 in stock and frankly, from the demo units that i tried and looked at, I'm not impressed graphic wise. For $600 and $60 games, I expected better. ALOT better.

Kwaad, really, stop making a fool of yourself. 480i to 480p never was upscaling. Upscaling is, for example, taking 720p to 1080p, and yes, some true HDTV sets do that. A DVD is stored in progressive mode, in case you didn't know. The information to make it output 480i (yes, it's more actually) is stored in the files, what we call the 3:2 pulldown or telecine for NTSC. Which makes 5 images from 2 frames. And yes, 1080p is not recommended for sets smaller than 40 inches, for several reasons. One of them is that you won't see the difference, or it's common size of LCD, which have a poor image restitution quality with several image artifacts. Also, you're wrong that people buying sets bigger than 40 inches don't care about cost. RP HDTV, the DLP ones, are very cost effective, and you have sets below 70 inches (52'). You talk about games like they are massively parallel applications, which is not true. Remember that a traditional NVidia GPU makes the final image, so even graphics can't be massively parallelized. As to upgrading it, this is not a PC. As soon as one console allows that, it becomes too complicated and will quickly die. Thinking the Wii is already optimized is delusional, bordering to nonsense. The Wii is barely used by most games. When you see the lowest quality game is at least the quality of RE4, then you can say it's mastered, not even optimized yet. As for your AMD rant, it just shows how clueless you really are. On server loads, AMD is better, thanks to its design. You think your desktop/games benchmarks mean Core 2 Duo is better for everything, or that these are relevant on servers ? So yes, AMD are still better than Intel on some server loads.

ookaze - then explain the progressive scan lines on my 1080p screen. I have used many 100$+ DVD players, and every DVD player displays the same interlaceing on my screen. So I guess that even if the data isnt interlaced on the disc, when the data comes off, it is then interlaced. Oh darn. Turning a perfectly good image into CRAP. That's what DVD does. Straight from the mouth of ookaze! A tech guru. For an example of upscaling. take a picture with your digicam. Cut a 480x720 section out of the picture. Now stretch that picture to 1080x1980. Look at the picture at 'actual size' And that is what the pure detail looks like. Now, let's enhance it. If you have a program like Adobe Photoshop, or any other decent photo software... Add a gaussian blur of 5pixels at about a 50% strength. You have now upsampled the image. Now look at the original 480x720, over a certin percent of your screen... and then look at your new enhanced one... over the same percent of your screen. Chances are the 480x720 one has more detail. Oh darn. unless the DVD player simply resizes the image, it's really doing nothing but hurting your image. And also.. ookaze, since DVD is in progressive mode... Would you please tell me how to turn off those interlaceing lines on most of my dvds? it's been bothering me for a year and a half since I got my HD. Second. AMD is better at server loads? I'll look into that and edit my post. my wife is nagging on me. Third Read about the hardware, the way it works on the Wii. it is a supercharged Cube. admit that. Meaning to optimize a game for it, you optimize if for the Cube, and then set the game to use 4x more power. Optimized Wii game. Fouth The Wii dont need graphics. It needs good games. Fifth Metroid looks like 3rd gen PS2 games. Sixth Mario looks like 2nd gen PS2 games. Since the Cube has more power than the PS2 and all that... that's why Cube Games look better than any PS2 game. And since the Wii is more powerful than a x-box... that's why Wii games blow x-box games out of the water graphically. WII IS GOD WORSHIP THOU GOD *yawn*

OMG ! Can't you think by yourself ? When DVD came out, most displays (if not all of them) where NTSC or PAL (meaning interlaced). So they couldn't accept the progressive scan so most DVD players outputed only NTSC or PAL. So of course, unless you have a progressive capable DVD player, you will get interlaced signal, that's what standard DVD players are designed to do. I'll made it simple for you to understand : they turned the image into crap because they didn't have a choice to begin with. You make a difference between a DVD (the media) and a DVD player, right ? And FYI, any image transformation will, at best, make your image the same. Most of the time, they induce a quality loss. So you have to minimize the transformation steps. Even only resizing to have a better definition (upscaling) can make you lose quality, depends on the algorithm. The Wii is a supercharged Gamecube if you want, I never denied that. I've only told you that because you optimized the Gamecube doesn't mean you automatically optimize the Wii, surely not by just "setting the game to use 4x more power". If you're into programming, you should know better. And the Wii needs graphics and games. Nobody said it didn't need graphics. Nintendo said they stop the power arm race, that doesn't mean it has to use crappy graphics like you want to imply, just that it has to be good enough. I say fortunately, a console success is not decided by graphics whore. If that was the case, the PS2 would never had succeeded. You can say all you want about Metroid or Mario Wii, their goal is not to push über HD graphics, their goal is to provide a good game. And I think they did a good job about that. I'm not fond of Mario or of FPS, but the videos from the Metroid gameplay actually made me want to try it : that's what counts. I see Nintendo has a great ability to move on and disrupts itself. But I also see graphics whore are completely unable to move on. I don't even understand the complaining, as you still have TWO consoles catering to your needs, with plenty of games.

I'm not worshiping anything, the Wii just provides what I want at a price I can afford, things I cannot say of the other 2 HD consoles. If your taste in games excludes you to the PS3/360, that's fine, there isn't 1 product in the world that appeals to everyone. Nintendo is just starting to offer *some* serious games to dedicated gamers while starting to offer a significant selection for casual and nongamers, with an easier to use controller than their competition, as well as a much easier price tag. Right now at their respective price points and software selection, the 360 and PS3 are catering exclusively to technologists and serious gamers. And btw, It's been said that the Wii's graphics have been upped a bit feature-wise from a few developers, and the only added feature we have that we know of so far is the added support for "Full Mapping", which was revealed with the interview over "Dewey's Adventure". So unless Nintendo (unlikely) or a developer spills the beans on the hardware differences, all we can do is speculate. So technically it's a supercharged gamecube with added hardware options, both graphically, physically, and software-wise.

http://www.amazon.ca/P2SQE-662248904078-Final-Fantasy-XII/dp/B000F5IH2I "Good game, new features, good storyline but the playstation 2 is archaic. Massive slowdowns, too many loading times, graphics looks horrible on LCD screen with component cables. They shoud've released the game on Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. For the graphics think of Resident Evil 4 on the ps2, the console just can't handle them. Can't wait for Final Fantasy 13 on the 360 and PS3. I can live with the graphics but the slowdowns and loading times are driving me insane..." Yup FF12 looks horrible. Wii rocks. *yawn* There we have it. The PS2 sucks. Wii is god... *worships the Wii*

KohlyKohl - Please recommend me a DVD player that does not display interlaceing lines on my TV. As my 6 month old 150$ samsung DVD player that has 1080p ouput... just cant seem to do progressive scan from a DVD. : My PS3 cant either... *sob* I guess I R just retardeded Edit: I'll stick with bluray tho. native 1080p... for my 1080p screen. Also, as for a Wii on a projector looking great... All I have to say it... you make me smile. Because I feel games like Resistance and Gears of War... both look like CRAP at 480p @ 40inches+ I'd love to see how BAD Wii sports looks on a 20' screen. rofl. Well I dont have the bandwidth//server space to host a file like that. So let's do a 'do it yourself' project. go find your favorite/best looking picture of a Wii game. save it to the HDD. Open paint Open favorite Wii Picture. Stretch image by 200% at both dimentions. (if your running your computer monitor at 1280x1024) it's not exact but close to what the Wii would look like on your monitor. Take your monitor's size. and see how many times it goes into 240.(how big our projection is) for me that is 16. Now that is how good it would look on a projector. AMAZING! *yawn* I just owned your Wii Kohly. :) And your projector. :) PS: it wont work in paint. takes like 100gigs of memory. rofl. Take my same idea and do it in photoshop... or other program.