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Is It True That 3rd Party Games Can't Sell on the Wii? Figures say No.

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Well, of course they do well. We've just been getting a massive quantity of shit games. Whenever a developer puts even a little effort in, they are rewarded. Look at Capcom. Resident Evil 4 got a good Wii port, and outsold the Gamecube version despite coming out almost two years afterward.




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I agree with your point, but backing it up by sales predictions isn't going to convince anyone.

Quality games sell on the Wii, regardless of publisher. The only reason Nintendo has been doing so much better than third parties is that they're the only company so far to have put their best teams on the console. Ok, maybe there's a bit brand loyalty from long-time Nintendo fans involved, but not anywhere close enough to stop the Wii from being the most profitable platform to release games on.



They can sell. It's just they got to release a game that has an appealing brand and not give crap haha. Well with the huge casual base its more about the right brand, which is why Carnival Games and soon to be Game Party go platinum.

But with the hardcore they can have almost every hardcore game go at least gold if they made them with quality. We are a little more picky.



Grampy said:
ToastyJaguar said:
i think a comparison is in order with the ps3 and 360.

The PS3 and Xbox 360 enjoyed much stronger 3rd party support because industry experts predicted the Wii's failure. This gave it a late start and only now is good 3rd party support showing up. If you want to make a comparison, be my guest but lets do it again in a year and the results may be quite different.


 But even those titles you mentioned, Nintendo's own games are absolutly crushing anything else.

Third party support will be stronger in the future, but it's always going to be the Nintendo games that bring in the bigger bucks. 




ToastyJaguar said:
Grampy said:
ToastyJaguar said:
i think a comparison is in order with the ps3 and 360.

The PS3 and Xbox 360 enjoyed much stronger 3rd party support because industry experts predicted the Wii's failure. This gave it a late start and only now is good 3rd party support showing up. If you want to make a comparison, be my guest but lets do it again in a year and the results may be quite different.


But even those titles you mentioned, Nintendo's own games are absolutly crushing anything else.

Third party support will be stronger in the future, but it's always going to be the Nintendo games that bring in the bigger bucks.


 Perhaps you're right that Nintendo will always be disproportionately succesful on its own systems. However, that is nothing particularly exceptional. With thanks to Sulla:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=789655

Here, we can see that first party sales typcially grab a larger percentage of users' money than third parties. The only exception to this rule so far has been the PS2: even the PS3 and original Playstation both followed this pattern.

Also, to Grampy: I agree with your point, but I also agree with kingofwale and parokki that projections are not the most efficient way of proving it. I've taken the liberty of posting financial data from the biggest three third-party publishers. Activision is first up.

http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=309134

This year, the Wii has accounted for 21% of their console revenue, the PS3 checks in at 18%, the 360 at 27%, and the PS2 at 21%. I'd like to point out also that the PS3, PS2, and 360 had more Activision games available than the  Wii, and that the 360 and PS3 both have Call of Duty 4, which is their best selling game by far. I'd also like to point out that these figures are for revenue: PS3 and 360 games cost more than Wii games do, so more Wii games must be sold to equal the HD consoles totals. That caveat applies to the other two publishers as well. Furthermore, even with those two handicaps, the Wii still sold more for Activison than the PS3.

http://investor.ea.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=88189&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1145021&highlight

This is EA's report. Until March 31st, the Wii brought in 7% of EA's revenue, the 360 did 11%, the PS3 was 14%, and the PS2 beat them all at 15%. Again, these figures are revenue, not profit, and reflect that Wii games are much cheaper than the HD consoles, often by more than ten dollars, and that there are fewer offerings from EA for the Wii at this time (19 vs. 28). Furthermore, the sales data on this site has the Wii games selling roughly on par with those of the HD consoles. A word of warning, though: this site appears to beundertracking some of the Wii games, as IGN has reported that Tiger Woods 08 has sold best on the Wii, yet this site shows the 360 outselling it by over 2:1.

http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/gallery_files/site/270/1042/1708.pdf

The Wii is 9%, the 360 is 33%, the PS3 is 23%, and the PS2 is 2%. This difference is the most dramatic of the three developers, but also the most expected. Recall that Ubisoft has released two bigh hitters that impact this quarter for the PS3 and the 360: Rainbow Six and Assassin's Creed. By contrast, the only games they've released for the Wii are Raving Rabbids 2 and the niche No More Heroes.

There's more data from other third parties indicating that their Wii sales are above what they were expecting. Capcom, Sega, Hudson, and more have been seeing sales that far exceed their expectations. These numbers are reinforced by the increasingly large amount of third party development for the system that is coming fairly soon. So yes, Grampy, I would say you are correct about your assertion. Although I do have one question for you: why did you use projected numbers to prove your point about current third party successes, especially when we're on a sales site?



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My only concern for the whole situation is games like No more hero's and Zak and Wiki, I mean it's like I hear forum after forum after forum bitching about 3rd party support on the Wii, then someone gives it to you in spades and they sell like ass >



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ChronotriggerJM said:
My only concern for the whole situation is games like No more hero's and Zak and Wiki, I mean it's like I hear forum after forum after forum bitching about 3rd party support on the Wii, then someone gives it to you in spades and they sell like ass >< I'm not going to say that 3rd party quality titles WON'T sell, but when Suda can put out a game like No More hero's then look at the sales figures next to something god awful like Mario Party 8 or Carnival games, it REALLY makes you think. It's not that the Wii can't play fantastic games, it's just it seems ripped and ready for cheap cash-ins :/

I can't believe this is still brought up. Haven't you heard that both, Capcom and Suda, were satisfied with the sales of their respective games? Zack & Wiki and No More Heroes met sales expectations.


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ChronotriggerJM said:
My only concern for the whole situation is games like No more hero's and Zak and Wiki, I mean it's like I hear forum after forum after forum bitching about 3rd party support on the Wii, then someone gives it to you in spades and they sell like ass >< I'm not going to say that 3rd party quality titles WON'T sell, but when Suda can put out a game like No More hero's then look at the sales figures next to something god awful like Mario Party 8 or Carnival games, it REALLY makes you think. It's not that the Wii can't play fantastic games, it's just it seems ripped and ready for cheap cash-ins :/
you know No more heroes is by far the best selling Suda game ever and Zack & Wiki is a genre dead a long time ago?

 



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One of the problems with destroying a myth like "Third party games don't sell well on the Wii" is that there isn't enough data to do a proper comparison between the Wii and the XBox 360/PS3 ...

I suspect that if you split the libraries into their different genres, then grouped games into 5% ranges based on game-rankings scores, you would see Wii games (in general) underperforming compared to XBox 360 and PS3 games. Of course several things would still need to be controlled to make this comparison really solid, for example sequels and multiplatform games need to be handled differently than original games, and marketing budgets need to be considered (in some way).



projections say no*

Remember the Wii itself was projected to fail and the ps3 was projected to blow the 360 and the Wii out of the water. Projections mean nothing in terms of sales.



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