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Escherichia said:
Ron Paul want's to abolish income tax. On one hand I understand why this is a popular idea, on the other hand I can't help but think that this would result in the worst economic nightmare this country has ever known.

Abolishing the income tax, along with the Federal Reserve, would be one of the best things that could happen to this country. First of all, the federal income tax is completely unconstitutional. Second, it doesn't pay for a damn thing. 100% of what is collected goes toward interest payments on the national debt. How would leaving money that doesn't pay for anything anyway in the pockets of Americans hurt the economy?



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Blones said:
nataraj said:
Blones said:
Ron Paul is the only major party candidate running that's worth a damn. Barring a miracle that causes him to actually win the Republican primary, I'll probably end up voting Libertarian.

Ron Paul is an unabashed racist. If you think that is the only worthy candidate - you either don't know Ron well or you support his racist ideas.


 What?  I've never heard him say anything racist.  Do you have a source for that?


Just search the internets for "ron paul racist" - you will get his quotes from his newsletter and the way he tries to distance himself from it ... and you decide.

ps: I personally found a lot about him from these diaries.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/5/193414/2787 

 

 



Blones said:
Escherichia said:
Ron Paul want's to abolish income tax. On one hand I understand why this is a popular idea, on the other hand I can't help but think that this would result in the worst economic nightmare this country has ever known.

Abolishing the income tax, along with the Federal Reserve, would be one of the best things that could happen to this country. First of all, the federal income tax is completely unconstitutional. Second, it doesn't pay for a damn thing. 100% of what is collected goes toward interest payments on the national debt. How would leaving money that doesn't pay for anything anyway in the pockets of Americans hurt the economy?


Why is federal income tax "unconstitutional" ? Do you mean it was created by an amendment - so its unconstitutional ? Well then, freedom of speech is unconstitutional as well.



I vote Ron Paul!!!

except I am canadian :(

This will be the only one I want to win!



I'm hoping Ron Paul will win!
He was a long shot but getting closer all the time now.
At first he was a 200 to 1 odd of winning (in Las Vegas) and now he is up to 15 to 1!
There is a lot of youtube videos out there about him (even daily show) now if you into that kind of thing.



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I can't say for sure right now, all I can say is I would much rather vote for a Giant Douche (Democrat), rather than a Turd Sandwich (Republican).



nataraj said:
Blones said:
Escherichia said:
Ron Paul want's to abolish income tax. On one hand I understand why this is a popular idea, on the other hand I can't help but think that this would result in the worst economic nightmare this country has ever known.

Abolishing the income tax, along with the Federal Reserve, would be one of the best things that could happen to this country. First of all, the federal income tax is completely unconstitutional. Second, it doesn't pay for a damn thing. 100% of what is collected goes toward interest payments on the national debt. How would leaving money that doesn't pay for anything anyway in the pockets of Americans hurt the economy?


Why is federal income tax "unconstitutional" ? Do you mean it was created by an amendment - so its unconstitutional ? Well then, freedom of speech is unconstitutional as well.


 No, because the Supreme Court has ruled it so.  Originally, the Constitution provided for direct taxes, which are divided equally amaongst the citizens, and indirect taxes, which you can avoid buy not purchasing the taxed item.  The income tax is neither of these.  Now, most people think that the 16th amendment granted Congress the power to levy income taxes, but this is not so.  In the case of Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., the Supreme Court ruled that "the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation."  Furthermore, in the case of Doyle v. Mitchell, the court defined the word "income" in the 16th amendment as meaning corporate profits, NOT personal wages.  It's perfectly legal to tax a corporation's profit, but not an individual's earnings.



nataraj said:
Blones said:
nataraj said:
Blones said:
Ron Paul is the only major party candidate running that's worth a damn. Barring a miracle that causes him to actually win the Republican primary, I'll probably end up voting Libertarian.

Ron Paul is an unabashed racist. If you think that is the only worthy candidate - you either don't know Ron well or you support his racist ideas.


What? I've never heard him say anything racist. Do you have a source for that?


Just search the internets for "ron paul racist" - you will get his quotes from his newsletter and the way he tries to distance himself from it ... and you decide.

ps: I personally found a lot about him from these diaries.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/5/193414/2787

 

 


Here are Ron Paul's views on race:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html

 

I'm much more inclined to believe that than some smear campaign on what looks to be a socialist leaning website.



Blones said:
nataraj said:
Blones said:
Escherichia said:
Ron Paul want's to abolish income tax. On one hand I understand why this is a popular idea, on the other hand I can't help but think that this would result in the worst economic nightmare this country has ever known.

Abolishing the income tax, along with the Federal Reserve, would be one of the best things that could happen to this country. First of all, the federal income tax is completely unconstitutional. Second, it doesn't pay for a damn thing. 100% of what is collected goes toward interest payments on the national debt. How would leaving money that doesn't pay for anything anyway in the pockets of Americans hurt the economy?


Why is federal income tax "unconstitutional" ? Do you mean it was created by an amendment - so its unconstitutional ? Well then, freedom of speech is unconstitutional as well.


 No, because the Supreme Court has ruled it so.  Originally, the Constitution provided for direct taxes, which are divided equally amaongst the citizens, and indirect taxes, which you can avoid buy not purchasing the taxed item.  The income tax is neither of these.  Now, most people think that the 16th amendment granted Congress the power to levy income taxes, but this is not so.  In the case of Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., the Supreme Court ruled that "the 16th Amendment conferred no new power of taxation."  Furthermore, in the case of Doyle v. Mitchell, the court defined the word "income" in the 16th amendment as meaning corporate profits, NOT personal wages.  It's perfectly legal to tax a corporation's profit, but not an individual's earnings.


I'm not sure how you figure abolishing one very big source of income for the US will help the country.  If you are correct and it all goes to paying the national debt...what do you think will happen if  you take that money away?  The US can't just stop paying its national debt because it left the money in the hands of the citizens.  You'd just end up paying the same amount some other way...



by the way I'm Canadian so I do'nt get a vote, but I'd vote for a democrat. I find republicans too war happy.