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Sorry but if 3rd parties WANT TO Sell to EU THEY NEED Ps3 now & IN the future..

no yes or no in that regard

DITTO about NA with 360..



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psrock said:
we all know, the wii will be getting the third parties on the side very soon, however, i am worried about what types of games they are going throw at the consoles.
why spend 10 million dollars doing a epic game when you can spend 500k on a party game and sell millions. That's what i am worried about.

 Like others have said, the party games will becom saturated. Think of the wii as the ds. The ds started with crappy support ,but sold well. Nintendos first few games were casual, but then they stopped and started to make more and more hardcore games. Third Party casual games started to stop selling because it was saturated. Then more and more hardcore games came, and now look at the support the Ds is getting for 08. The wii i believe will follow the same path. 



darthdevidem01 said:
Sorry but if 3rd parties WANT TO Sell to EU THEY NEED Ps3 now & IN the future..

no yes or no in that regard

DITTO about NA with 360..

 Why, the wii has alot more marketshare in EU than the ps3, and it's will soon pass the 360 in NA. The distance will only keep widening unless they start to outsell the wii which is more possible for the ps3 , but I don't really see it happening. 



They are in the right direction for what they intended,create a new parallel market of casual gamers(grannies,girls,soccer moms,jubilees,party games players) and have a great success there.If they keep throwing up their franchises (mario everyting ,zelda ,Fzero) they may keep somewhat interested their ancient fans too.

But as for the industry ,if we define ourselves as hardcore or core gamers ,I think whats happening is not very positive.Theres a definite risk that the third parties change sides to the Wii and start creating casual things for the machine and then we would find ourselves trapped in a quite dirty situation.And even if they create hardcore/core games they wont be far superior of what we have seen 2-3 and 4 years ago in graphics/sound/longevity/playability.And not being superior in these terms means the core/hardcore buyers wont buy into those while there are better things on the HD consoles or PC.

For the time being the third parties allegiance seems to be with technology and MS and Sony.They cant afford to fire half their staffs ,throw their investment in technology and top programmers just to start programming again in an aging hardware and just to squeeze out some 5% more out of it(lets face it ,the Cube-Wii hardware is pretty much learnt and nearly maximized by now).And they dont dare to defy Nintendo in the casual games department they seem to fully master right now.



You could argue that 3D and cinematic games that were brought forward through the success of the Playstation and adoption of the CD Rom on PCs killed a lot of genres and eliminated the "Hard-Core" videogame market ... Players no longer needed the complicated puzzle solving skills that adventure games required, nor did they require the lighting fast reflexes of adventure games, they now just needed the ability to stomach the engrish dialogue of cut scenes in order to be a good gamer.

In reality the genres died because of stagnation, they evolved into something different, or their appeal was dependant on a lot of external elements. Adventure games (for example) were loved because they were heavily storybased, and a lot of the challenge came from the limitations of the system (many people hated the move from a text-based to point and click interface); in a lot of ways, the elements people loved about adventure games worked their way into every genre.

The Nintendo DS and Wii will not kill any genre which is strong enough to be worthy of surviving.



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Diomedes1976 said:
They are in the right direction for what they intended,create a new parallel market of casual gamers(grannies,girls,soccer moms,jubilees,party games players) and have a great success there.If they keep throwing up their franchises (mario everyting ,zelda ,Fzero) they may keep somewhat interested their ancient fans too.

But as for the industry ,if we define ourselves as hardcore or core gamers ,I think whats happening is not very positive.Theres a definite risk that the third parties change sides to the Wii and start creating casual things for the machine and then we would find ourselves trapped in a quite dirty situation.And even if they create hardcore/core games they wont be far superior of what we have seen 2-3 and 4 years ago in graphics/sound/longevity/playability.And not being superior in these terms means the core/hardcore buyers wont buy into those while there are better things on the HD consoles or PC.

For the time being the third parties allegiance seems to be with technology and MS and Sony.They cant afford to fire half their staffs ,throw their investment in technology and top programmers just to start programming again in an aging hardware and just to squeeze out some 5% more out of it(lets face it ,the Cube-Wii hardware is pretty much learnt and nearly maximized by now).And they dont dare to defy Nintendo in the casual games department they seem to fully master right now.

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sc94597 said:
psrock said:
we all know, the wii will be getting the third parties on the side very soon, however, i am worried about what types of games they are going throw at the consoles.
why spend 10 million dollars doing a epic game when you can spend 500k on a party game and sell millions. That's what i am worried about.

 Like others have said, the party games will becom saturated. Think of the wii as the ds. The ds started with crappy support ,but sold well. Nintendos first few games were casual, but then they stopped and started to make more and more hardcore games. Third Party casual games started to stop selling because it was saturated. Then more and more hardcore games came, and now look at the support the Ds is getting for 08. The wii i believe will follow the same path. 

that's interesting : what are the top ds games to date, maybe that will help? i really dont follow the ds as much, but arent the brain games the top sellers.

 



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Third parties like epic games won't make games for the Wii, because devs like them now that it is very hard for them to make money on the Wii. Nintendo is the only dev making good money on the Wii.

So you don't have to worry about third parties giving up on HD consoles because it will never happen.




psrock said:
sc94597 said:
psrock said:
we all know, the wii will be getting the third parties on the side very soon, however, i am worried about what types of games they are going throw at the consoles.
why spend 10 million dollars doing a epic game when you can spend 500k on a party game and sell millions. That's what i am worried about.

Like others have said, the party games will becom saturated. Think of the wii as the ds. The ds started with crappy support ,but sold well. Nintendos first few games were casual, but then they stopped and started to make more and more hardcore games. Third Party casual games started to stop selling because it was saturated. Then more and more hardcore games came, and now look at the support the Ds is getting for 08. The wii i believe will follow the same path.

that's interesting : what are the top ds games to date, maybe that will help? i really dont follow the ds as much, but arent the brain games the top sellers.

 


 Here are the top selling ds games. Most of them are nintendo. http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&console=DS&developer=&publisher=&genre=&keyword=&order=Sales 

But does that matter. Look the list of games the ds is getting http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=19388.  



ToastyJaguar said:
Third parties like epic games won't make games for the Wii, because devs like them now that it is very hard for them to make money on the Wii. Nintendo is the only dev making good money on the Wii.

So you don't have to worry about third parties giving up on HD consoles because it will never happen.

That's wrong. Epic Games (the company) will probably not focus on the Wii, but that's for a different reason. They want to sell their engine to companies which want to do cutting edge graphics.

Epic Games is quite different from most game developers in that sense. Other companies are already focusing on the Wii, and the ones which made good games ended up making good profit on them. With the Wii selling faster and faster, and Wii games being cheaper and faster to develop than PS360 games, it can only get better for 3rd parties which choose the Wii.

We're long past the "3rd party games don't sell on the Wii" myth. It's expired. It's pushing up the daisies. It's not just pining for the fjords.

 



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