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I love innovation. When Steel Battalion came out... I bought it. day1. Waited in like for 6 hours for the thing. 200$ for a GAME/controller. Was it a great game? HELL YES. Did it sell well? no. Did it have a sequel? yes. online only BS. Anything else? no. That was my favorite thing on the x-box. Did I bash Steel Battalion for being expensive? For being a ripoff? no. It was almost a flawless game. If it came out agian on the x-box 360... I'd buy a 360, and the 200$ controller. Why do I... bash the wii? Two reasons. The Games. The Controllers. There are far too many games... that are horrible. Red Steel. Read what they say, not the numbers. If I wrote that. I wouldnt give it that score. http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/40DCCDF0-B9BD-4681-9B24-81631438F3C2.htm Elebits http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/89D593F9-9141-45CC-B97E-A4A4B4E9A96B.htm Super Monkey Ball (read what he says at the end about the controller) http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/D51AACA2-BD1D-4181-A9F6-7D405C9A895F.htm Wii Sports. I agree with what they say. And the rateing is right. Gameplay is there, but nothing else. http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/B3379624-0750-425C-B008-E0B737583C7D.htm Zelda:TP Best game out in probibally 3 months. period. http://www.gameinformer.com/Games/Review/200701/R06.1117.1525.10118.htm Tony Hawk (ouch) http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/BD895CE7-B10F-4A60-A566-16BA48BC0C9E.htm Excite Truck http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/3ADC4872-9031-4470-B5A3-36FBA1074CCB.htm COD3 http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/2F800E8A-1FA9-4128-BFF3-4A1147CB2B3A.htm Madden http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/AD3A36DF-BECC-4D3E-BAAB-6E2CCDF468E4.htm Super Swing Golf (second highest Wii Game rated by them) http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/7C642C00-79FD-4AA3-B099-867BB462B469.htm Sponge Bob http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/7343EE40-5008-4A0B-9310-A1B0F5801DE3.htm Dragonball Z Budokai Tenkaichi 2 http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/C22EF969-154B-48F3-A484-65FB52B61078.htm The Ant Bully http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/A1DA4FF3-87D5-467E-AD66-0686782350BF.htm Dont look at the scores. See what they say about the games. Read them. I understand TC:SO is not reviewed. I'll leave it as one of the best for the Wii. Notice what they get hung up on, on most of the games. The Controls. (normally how horrible they are, and how they wish they could use normal controllers) The Graphics. Sub PS2. The Sound. Laughable. (why I dont know. crappy games I guess) You say their biased? Look at the 10 they gave Zelda. they Gave GoW a 9.5 and Resistance a 9.5. Meaning the only x-mas launch game that got a 10.0 was zelda. They LOVED the controls on Zelda. I did too. But 3 games worth buying out of 15... is NOT what makes me want to buy a console. I can go to the store, put a blindfold on, grab a PS3 game at random, and have a 50% chance of getting a game that will be alot of fun, without alot of problems. (not saying a AAA game. just a 7+ game) Do I like the Wii? let's talk about the Wii alone. 250$ is steep for it. It's graphics are comparble to the GC. Infact. the best looking game on the Wii, looks the exact same on the GC. The GC, had the worst graphics of last gen. I dont feel it's worth more than 150$. I love the controller. Besides the fact that when I'm playing 'horizontal' the controller hurts my hands due to the way you have to hold it. Now let's get to the meat of any system. The games. The Wii has about 4 games worth buying imo. Zelda, Trauma Center, and Rayman, and the Super Golf. As for the others. FarCry. Nintendo should have drawn the line and said NO. RedSteel. Nintendo should have drawn the line and said NO. (I got migranes playing that game. My wife couldnt watch me play it for more than 2 minutes on my 40inch screen before haveing to LEAVE THE ROOM) Let's let the bad games not sell and call it even. The average game is slighly below average. Let's get to online. I logged onto my wii, and spent 20 minutes hooking it up to the internet. (WiFi... duh) I logged onto my PS3 and spent 5 minutes hooking it up to the internet. (WiFi... 60gb baby) I log onto the Wii Store. I see about 15 games... most of wich I have never heard of on the VC. I log onto the PS3 store. I find 3 games. They all look like a low budget, modern game that has innovative gameplay. At 9.99$ how can you go wrong? (there are sales when they go to 5.99 sometimes) I log onto the internet. The Wii didnt have it when I got it. The PS3 has a multi window brouser, that is firefox, so it runs very well, and is widely supported across the Web. I downloaded a OPERA BETA for my Wii. Either the text is so small I cant read it because it's SD, or it's so big, it anoys me, and shows almost none of the website. If the website is formatted right. OPERA is not widely supported. And in 6 months you have to buy that browser. (Wii Parade is defective too) What's to come. Sony is comply updating their UI, and ability to do things simultaneously as well as other, enhanced features. Nintendo... Really dosent say much. But what has been pried from the goats mouth... makes me sad. The Online support for the Wii uses the buddy code. The buddy code has to be exchanged with both users before they can communicate on the Wii. I think you can only have around 20 buddy codes on your system. (only 1 user per system as well) So if your playing online... With random people... like you... play online... games... *duh* you can only communicate with 20 people... out of the 25,000 people playing that game at that moment... ... if all 20 people on your buddy list... is on. Meaning a game like COD would never work on the Wii. (online) I have read in many places. online play on the DS is like playing agianst a SUPER hard/aggressive computer. I have read in just as many places... Nintendo plans on cloneing that system on the Wii. VERY BAD. I am not a child. I drink hard liquor, and am old enough to almost have a kid who would want a Wii. (I dont have any kids... I hate kids...) LET ME TURN THAT CRAP OFF. I dont need to be protected. And Let me go to refrence multiplatform. Like someone mentioned in another thread. The PS2 is going to be around for another 2 or 3 years. Games for the PS2 will probibally be ported to the Wii. As a PS3/360 game... cant really be ported. Especially after this x-mas, as more advanced shaders/lighting will be in use, and a game optimized to use those... WONT work without them. (look at FarCry for PC, and FarCry for Wii... it's going to get worse) And if you think they will make a game for the Wii, and upgrade it for the big boys... your wrong. It dont work that way. So the PS2 and the Wii will be... Multiplatform buddys... and the PS3 and 360 will be buddys. A game optimized for the PS2... Wont work on a wii... the controlls will be all funky. The only multi-plat that I like for the Wii is rayman... and Zelda... wich isnt really isnt one. I dont see many multiplatform games being worth their weight on the Wii. Moral of the story, and this is what everyone is saying why it's the end of the PS3. A game HAS to be made for the Wii. It HAS to be graphically optimized for the Wii. it HAS to have decent sound. (work on it you idiots, there was great sound on PS1 games. I know you can do it on a WII) It HAS to have GREAT CONTROLS. a Game for the Wii can NOT be built around the controller, but more, the controller warped to control the world. This is the hardest thing to do on a game. The controls make and break games across all platforms. The Wii is 10x harder to have the great controls for. I don't see games coming with those specifications coming in the next year. Besides possibly Metroid Prime, and Mario. I dont know how much SSB will use the wiimote... As if they stray from the tried and proven gameplay... I probibally... wont like it. I thought it was a VERY good console, despite it's problems... until I got my PS3. Then I thought. Crap the 360 is even more refined than this. the Wii is truely crap. I'm hopeing games start comming for the wii that offers use of the Wiimotes AND the retro controller. (or allow you to use your GC controllers) Let me list my favorite things about the Wii and why I am sad for it. Zelda. Holy crap. Wow! Rayman. I havent had that much fun with my wife in forever. (she dosent play many games, and I got her to play that one so it made a average game, alot more fun. But if I got it for the PS2, it would've been the same story) The Wiimotes have alot of potential. I just hope it's seen before the PS3's fall/winter titles plow it over. :)



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Why do I... bash the wii? Two reasons. The Games. The Controllers
OK, except that's totally false. My proof ? I just have to look further, as you couldn't help it : 250$ is steep for it. It's graphics are comparble to the GC. Infact. the best looking game on the Wii, looks the exact same on the GC. The GC, had the worst graphics of last gen. I dont feel it's worth more than 150$ Yeah right. So you actually bash the Wii for being an expensive ripoff. And your Steel Battalion story is telling : you're ready to pay $200 for one controller for one game, but somewhat, paying 250$ with 3 games worth it, plus one bundled, is not good enough. Double standard ? Or graphics whore. You have the right to be a graphics whore, I'll understand, just don't make poor excuses about the controller or the games.
There are far too many games... that are horrible
That's your hardcore gamer's opinion. Fortunately ! Despite what your games reviewers tell you, several sub 7 games sold really well (millions), thanks to word of mouth too. Fortunately, reviews don't sell games, except among hardcore gamers, which are a minority. I don't trust these reviewers since a long time. They are like hardcore gamers, unable to appreciate innovations that they can't understand. Wii Sports is selling like hotcakes in Japan, look at their second opinion, it's not the same (7+). 3 different styles reviewers opinions should be on all these sites, so that you can pick one that have more or less your tastes. Now, even without the second opinion, I count 7 games with 7+ in your list. And probably 8 with TC:SO. So even for score buying hardcore gamers, that's 7 games worth buying. Unless you think a 7/10 score is horrible ? Please !
Notice what they get hung up on, on most of the games. The Controls. (normally how horrible they are, and how they wish they could use normal controllers) The Graphics. Sub PS2. The Sound. Laughable. (why I dont know. crappy games I guess)
What's your point ? You expect most of 3rd party devs to have made AAA games in less than 1 year ? Most of them wouldn't have supported the Wii before the E3 of last year. Or you expect them to master the new controls in as much time ?
You say their biased? Look at the 10 they gave Zelda. they Gave GoW a 9.5 and Resistance a 9.5
3 AAA games. Yes, they're biased.
But 3 games worth buying out of 15... is NOT what makes me want to buy a console
So why did you buy it ? 3 games is exactly what makes me buy a console. I'm still waiting for my 3 PS3 games, I have only one for now (Shiro Kishi Monogatari). Perhaps 2 with FFXIII.
I can go to the store, put a blindfold on, grab a PS3 game at random, and have a 50% chance of getting a game that will be alot of fun, without alot of problems
That's for you. I have a 100 % chance of getting a game I won't like. Well, if PS3 was available in Europe that is.
The Wii has about 4 games worth buying imo Zelda, Trauma Center, and Rayman, and the Super Golf
That's you. I'm a RPG fan mostly, and my small family is hooked up to good party games, some DS games, and buy more games than me. I have more games I WANT to get for the Wii : Fire Emblem (bought the Wii mainly for this game), Zelda, Mario Party, Trauma Center, Sonic, perhaps Dragon Quest Swords. Meaning I will get them as soon as they're out. There are other titles I will wait for budget price, like Red Steel or Super Panya. Keep in mind that contrary to a hardcore gamer, one game can last me 6 months or even 1+ year, so this list is already huge for me. I don't like FPS, so I don't know if I can love Red Steel or Metroid, even though Metroid videos hooked me up, while GoW videos didn't at all. Besides, most people I know that bought Red Steel actually like it. Granted, some don't. If your wife is the kind that like FPS, then she's not representative of the population, not at all.
I log onto the Wii Store. I see about 15 games... most of wich I have never heard of on the VC
I almost forgot I also bought the Wii for TurboGraphX hoping for titles like PC Kid, Granzort or Neutopia. I have PC Kid already, and with my stars, if the rate is really 4-1, I'll probably get the other two for free. The Wii isn't for you, which doesn't mean it's not for everybody else.
So if your playing online... With random people... like you... play online... games... *duh* you can only communicate with 20 people... out of the 25,000 people playing that game at that moment... ... if all 20 people on your buddy list... is on
You're an amazing guy. Even in my best days of IRC chatting, I couldn't talk with 10 people at the same time, and it took all my concentration and typing speed away. I could never play anything at the same time either.
Meaning a game like COD would never work on the Wii. (online)
You mean, the kind of abuse that takes place on XBL can't take place. Good !
I have read in many places. online play on the DS is like playing agianst a SUPER hard/aggressive computer. I have read in just as many places... Nintendo plans on cloneing that system on the Wii. VERY BAD
And still, it has the most users.
I am not a child. I drink hard liquor, and am old enough to almost have a kid who would want a Wii. (I dont have any kids... I hate kids...) LET ME TURN THAT CRAP OFF. I dont need to be protected
Seems like they need to be protected from you. Follows lots of "won't work on Wii", and finally:
Moral of the story, and this is what everyone is saying why it's the end of the PS3
Take me out of this crowd. I've never said any console would fail. I'm one of the first to say: "let's wait for the big exclusives before talking". Especially FFXIII. FFVII skyrocketed the PS1. FFXIII could do the same with PS3.
A game HAS to be made for the Wii. It HAS to be graphically optimized for the Wii. it HAS to have decent sound.[...] It HAS to have GREAT CONTROLS
I see what you mean. Metroid Prime 3 has to be this game for you. That you think Wii is crap is only your problem though. It isn't for lots of other people, which enjoy it. That's what counts.



Here's future games that are developed for the Wii from ground up, have optimized graphics, good sound and great control, or at least I think so: Metroid Prime 3 Super Mario Galaxy SSX Blur Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles Tiger Woods (developed by Wii-sentric studio of EA + their other projects) Dewy's Adventure Disaster: day of crisis Project H.A.M.M.E.R. Sadness New Zelda Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors Fire Emblem: The Goddess of Dawn Samurai Slash New Donkey Kong Sword of Legendia New Kid Icarus Sonic and the Secret Rings No More Heroes Bomberman Land Wii Midnight Boxing Action Forever Blue Thorn Objectively speaking, which ones do you agree with me, and which ones do you disagree?



The Wii is heading for a fall. The only game people are buying for it is Wii Sports. Just look at the release schedule right through until the end of April. There is nothing there of interest beyond Sonic, and so far that just looks like Excite Truck 2. It has potential, but I fear it will be a rental at best. I like the approach Nintendo have taken with the Wii, but I think it is all going to backfire on them quite badly. There are going to be some big upsets over the coming 12 months. It looks like most Wii owners will spend the next 6 months creating amusing new Miis, or maybe just playing a different system.



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Here's my first post on this site (3 month lurker!) and reply to your comments, Kwaad. Red Steel - A launch game that shipped with some bugs. The big one seems to be the "jumpy cursor" which is remedied by turning off the volume on the wiimote. I heard about this fix before I got the game, and after encountering the bug, I customized the controls to my liking (no volume, aim assist off) and had one helluva good time with the single player part of the game. I loved the style of the game, with a "B Movie" feel with "Japanese Gangsters", or Yakuza. Despite it's bugs, I think the game was fairly good overall and give it a 6.5/10, most fun single-player FPS games I've played since Metroid Prime. Oh, I don't like the menu either though. ;) If you can deal with the volume bug and customize the controls, the wiimote works exceptionally well for the most part. They should've kept it in-house a few more weeks to deal with thuse bugs, but overall it shows a lot of the potential of the system. A sequel has already been confirmed. :) *looking forward to it* U.S. '06 sales - 250,000 (Comparison : Resistance PS3 - 330,000) Super Monkey Ball : Banana Blitz - Disappointing as well overall, I agree on that one. A few of the multiplayer games are quite good, and the single player is somewhat interesting, but still not a great title. Wiimote controls could have been better, I would have preffered to use an analog stick myself. They also butchered my favorite multiplayer games as well. 5/10 The Legend Of Zelda : Twilight Princess - I don't think I need to say anything about this except I have no reason to even touch the gamecube version. ;) Wii-mote FTW. 9.5/10 Trauma Center : Second Opinion - Who'da thunk I'd actually enjoy cutting up some people for a good cause? Quite a good game, if a bit too intense for my taste. Wii-mote works wonderfully here. 7/10 Excite Truck - I've always sucked at using an analog stick for racing games for some reason, and after a bit of adjusting to the control scheme, I did a lot better in this title than I have for any racer in years. :) A lot of arcade-racing fun, the controls work great. :) Wii Sports - Yes, the gameplay is there. And so is the multiplayer, and the detail to the control scheme, if you pay attention to the subtleties of it. My family/friends and I have probably clocked around 70-80 hours into it, with play intervals from 15 minutes to 3-4 hours. :D 9/10, Wii's killer app for non/casual gamers while still fairly enjoyable to hardcore gamers. Name a few other video games that allow non/casual gamers and serious/hardcore gamers to play together so evenly and have fun while doing it? Rayman : Raving Rabbids - Great multiplayer game, although a few of the games are a bit redundant with each other. Controls work great. Elebits - Fairly good game, but still a bit rough around the edges, needed a few more weeks of tweaking as well. Controls still worked very well though. Check out the just-announced "Dewey's Adventure" also from Konami, looks to be a great game in the same style. 7/10 Madden 2006 for Wii turned out to be a major suprise, 2nd only to the suprise Wii Sports itself made. Many reviewers have given it praise, even over the PS3/360 versions simply because of the control scheme (kicking apparently doesn't work too well, but it seems to be the same problem on the other platforms as well, go figure). I believe in Nov/Dec it sold about 150k on the Wii in the U.S., enough to catch EA's attention considering the target audience of the Wii. Now we have EA doing a larger effort on the platforum with SSX Blur (exclusive), Scarface, and several other titles, and a few new titles of which will be exclusives to the Wii, according to EA. They've also put a considerable amount of work into the new Tiger Woods game for Wii as well. :) Note : EA just announced a DS version of Spore, a Wii version is expected as well. :) I think No More Heroes, Metroid Prime 3, Dragon Quest Swords, SSX Blur, as well as alternative titles like The Sims Wii, Cooking Mama, Dewey's Adventures and other new IP's may help give the Wii a better fighting chance in good control-exclusive games this generation of console wars then you give it credit for. :) Of course I could be wrong, but I could be right too. :) For a comparison, here's a PS3/Wii port sales comparison from this site itself (USA '06 sales only) ------------------PS3----Wii---- (thousands of units) Madden '06 210-----205 NFS:Carbon 114-----Unknown (vg don't have it listed) CallofDuty3 128-----175 Marvel-UA 95-----170 In the USA, The Wii had a install base of around 1.2 million by the end of '06, the PS3 about a million even supposedly. Not too shabby considering all of the Wii versions simply have their controls remapped to the Wiimote, thus limiting the control capability of the games. I'd say people are rather enjoying them. ^_^ Resistance PS3 - 310k, Red Steel Wii - 250k Btw, it will be impossible for Final Fantasy XIII to skyrocket the PS3's sales as VII did the PS1's simply because of the cost of the hardware, it's simply too much for too many people. I don't see the PS3's sales hitting several hundred thousand a month until they drop their price on a massive level. Even the 360's sales have stagnated (compared to the inventory in stores) partially due to the cost of the console (the other reason being a lack of game variety).



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hanafuda - Just look at the release schedule right through until the end of April. SSX Blur ** Scarface Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 Bust-A-Move Bash! Cooking Mama: Cook-Off ** Super Paper Mario (AAA title) * Wii Play * Sonic and the Secret Rings ** Prince of Persia : Rival Swords ** I think there are 1 or 2 more, but I can't recall anything else at the moment. Personally I see 2 *must-get and 4 **rent-first-then-decide titles in there. :)



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ookaze 250$ is steep for it. It's graphics are comparble to the GC. Infact. the best looking game on the Wii, looks the exact same on the GC. The GC, had the worst graphics of last gen. I dont feel it's worth more than 150$ Yeah right. So you actually bash the Wii for being an expensive ripoff. And your Steel Battalion story is telling : you're ready to pay $200 for one controller for one game, but somewhat, paying 250$ with 3 games worth it, plus one bundled, is not good enough. Double standard ? Or graphics whore. You have the right to be a graphics whore, I'll understand, just don't make poor excuses about the controller or the games.
Steel Battalion was OVER THE TOP. Name me one game with as much immersion as that. Why it was worth 200$.
Yulegoat Objectively speaking, which ones do you agree with me, and which ones do you disagree?
NI = no info Metroid Prime 3 - I have high hopes. Super Mario Galaxy - I dont have high hopes. SSX Blur - never liked SSX Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles - No idea if I'll like it or not. RE's are really hit or miss. Tiger Woods (developed by Wii-sentric studio of EA + their other projects) - Hate golf Dewy's Adventure -NI Disaster: day of crisis -NI Project H.A.M.M.E.R. -It already looks repetitive. Sadness -NI New Zelda - I'm just not gonna comment how desperate you putting this one. (but I want it) Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors - one word. Yuck. Fire Emblem: The Goddess of Dawn -NI Samurai Slash -looks like redsteel without the guns. That would be bad. New Donkey Kong -NI Sword of Legendia - NI New Kid Icarus -ni Sonic and the Secret Rings - the trailer does not sell me No More Heroes -NI. Bomberman Land Wii - If it was like the first bomberman for the GC, it would rock. It dont look like it though. Midnight -NI Boxing Action -NI Forever Blue -NI Thorn -NI vanguardian1: SSX Blur - keep it away from me. Scarface - keep it away from me. Tiger Woods PGA Tour - if someone brings that game into my house, I will consider it assult, and shoot to kill. Bust-A-Move Bash! - Could be fun, but worth 50$? Cooking Mama: Cook-Off - I actually expcect this one to be a sleeper. I think it will sell well, but I dont know if I would like it or not. Super Paper Mario (AAA title) Super Paper mario, can meet my paper shredder for all I care. Wii Play - I already have 2 wiimotes and I dont need another, and that game isnt worth 30$ from what I've seen. Sonic and the Secret Rings - I wouldnt reccomend you to rent that... Prince of Persia: Rival Swords - I never got into this line. I love games with innovation. flOw, Cubivore, SPORE... and stuff like that. If your not gonna innovate... dont change it. The Wii needs a new type of game, a game un-created. That is what the Wii will do best.



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I said OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING. That doesn't leave room for comments like "yuck", "never liked..", "I hate.." or "I don't have high hopes" (Mario has gotten only rave previews that I'm aware of). And there is info for a lot of games you said there wasn't. No More Heroes: http://wii.ign.com/objects/827/827358.html Dewy's adventure: http://wii.ign.com/articles/760/760682p1.html Fire Emblem: The Goddess of Dawn: http://wii.ign.com/objects/826/826984.html Forever Blue http://www.gamespot.com/wii/adventure/foreverblue/index.html Some of the games I mentioned like RE:UC or new Zelda are based on the high quality of the franchise, but that doesn't mean I'm desperate, just rational reasoning. How many great future exclusive games can you list for PS3? And you said Wii needs new type of games, then what the hell are games like Wii Sports, Raving Rabbids or Elebits? EDIT: I don't even understand the meaning of this topic. First I thought this was your cry out for people wondering why people like the Wii or why it's as successive as it is, but now it seems that you only wanted to tell your personal opinion, which actually isn't worth a shit. If the latter case is true, then this is my last post on this topic.



Kwaad: Please change your username to "obvious tool." I mean, you confuse some of the n00bs... they might think you aren't an obvious tool, if you insist on a username like that. A voice of truth like you should have more transparency.



fishamaphone said: Kwaad: Please change your username to "obvious tool." I mean, you confuse some of the n00bs... they might think you aren't an obvious tool, if you insist on a username like that. A voice of truth like you should have more transparency.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Kwaad :) EDIT: btw, if you think it's a bogus name, check me out with PSNID: Kwaad



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