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I'm not sure Kwaad even has points anymore, I think he just likes to start an argument and rile up the Wii crowd. ;>



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It'd be funny if he was joking..........but from what I've seen spoken on the forums about Kwaad, he's quite serious about this.



Kwaad said:
Sqrl said:

^^
I don't think you have to spend that much for a high quality system, I just finished mine and I spent about $1750 for everything from a top of the line 1080p LCD, 7.1 THX certified sound system, 2 Tuner HD DVR box, entirely new cables, and one of the best universal remotes on the market that allows anyone and everyone to operate it with one-touch ease.

edit: nm, I thought you were saying $3500 for just the A/V setup. Also I double checked some prices, I was off by a fair bit, the audio system was less than I thought, I got it about a year ago.


If you spend less than 2000$ for your entire system, your really not getting a whole lot. I'm not saying to go do a Kwaad, and wait till it comes out on BluRay, and watch it at home... cause it's better than the theater either.

But a "good" TV will cost you around 1500$, and then when you add the sound, your adding another 300-500$ (for a decent one.

 

And 7.1 is BS. It's a joke. It's a proven fact 7.1 is not noticeably better than a 5.1 The "9.1" that does not really exist, is just plain stupid.

Truthfully, a 4.1 is all you would ever need, but the 5th 'center' speaker is really nice, as it allows for a 'central' music from the front, without having to enlarge the other two, but truth-be-told, I really dont know why there isnt a 4.1

The only way I can warrent more than a 5.1, is if you put speakers above/below you. (wtf how would that work?)


Few things. First both the TV and the Sound system I own would cost you more than you're talking about ($2k) if you went into the store to buy them yourself. I live in Omaha, NE which is home to the largest single location furniture store in the world. Every year there is a stockholders sale for Berkshire Hathaway. To say we get good deals is an understatement, just for flashing the stockholder badge you get the first 25% off electronics and then the haggling starts. Although I prefer to haggle them down and then flash the badge.

With that said, you're completely wrong if you think price is the best way to determine how good your system is.

As for the rest of your post, I find it curious that you were unable to respond to my first post which showed why your OP was pointless and silly but now you're perfectly capable of attacking my audio system choice as if you know precisely what I purchased. Ironically I never said anywhere in my post "ZOMG 7.1 is teh bezt" and yet you lashed out like thats what I said. Truth be told I tend to agree that 7.1 isn't really that much different from 5.1 but we originally ordered the 5.1 and it arrived damaged so I had them upgrade us to 7.1 with the replacement. But please do feel free to continue your rant, I'm curious what else you've been able to divine about me and my purchases.  

PS - Don't you own a 40" Samsung LCD? I might have the model wrong but I could of swore you said you had a LN40A550.

PPS - I would still love to hear your response to the topic if you have one.



To Each Man, Responsibility
Kwaad said:
Desroko said:
You don't need the Wheel to play MK, or the GC or Classic Controller to play Brawl.

You are exactly right there my friend...

But I have yet to meet a person who liked the game using the Wiimote on smash.

And MK-wii sucks without the Wheel.

 


 Well, then I'd say you haven't met many people who play Brawl.  I exclusively use the Wiimote+nunchuck for the game and am not alone.  This past weekend there was a Brawl tournament on my university's campus and fortunately for me I wasn't the only one.  I see little advantage to using the Gamecube controller for Brawl and the Wiimote+nunchuck makes up for it in comfort (I can rest my hands on my lap with them apart).

 As for Mario Kart Wii, while I agree the Wheel is the best way to play it isn't the only way and some prefer the Gamecube controller.

 To each his own, but I've never felt the need to bust out one of my Gamecube controllers or to purchase a classic controller. 



Kwaad said:
Sqrl said:

^^
I don't think you have to spend that much for a high quality system, I just finished mine and I spent about $1750 for everything from a top of the line 1080p LCD, 7.1 THX certified sound system, 2 Tuner HD DVR box, entirely new cables, and one of the best universal remotes on the market that allows anyone and everyone to operate it with one-touch ease.

edit: nm, I thought you were saying $3500 for just the A/V setup. Also I double checked some prices, I was off by a fair bit, the audio system was less than I thought, I got it about a year ago.


 If you spend less than 2000$ for your entire system, your really not getting a whole lot. I'm not saying to go do a Kwaad, and wait till it comes out on BluRay, and watch it at home... cause it's better than the theater either.

But a "good" TV will cost you around 1500$, and then when you add the sound, your adding another 300-500$ (for a decent one.

 

And 7.1 is BS. It's a joke. It's a proven fact 7.1 is not noticeably better than a 5.1 The "9.1" that does not really exist, is just plain stupid.

Truthfully, a 4.1 is all you would ever need, but the 5th 'center' speaker is really nice, as it allows for a 'central' music from the front, without having to enlarge the other two, but truth-be-told, I really dont know why there isnt a 4.1

The only way I can warrent more than a 5.1, is if you put speakers above/below you. (wtf how would that work?) 

If there is anything you've ever posted on this site that I could agree with it would be right here.  

 

As for 4.1, it sorta happened in the 70's with Quadraphonic Stereo.   It was 4.0.  The ".1" always refers to the subwoofer of which they didn't have in the ealy 70's.

 

 

 



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Kwaad said:
Sky Render said:
Oh jeez, not that short-sighted "price" argument again... Price is only a piece of what makes a product sell. The better the marketing and the more appealing the product, the higher a price people are willing to pay. This isn't rocket science, it's basic economic theory.

100% agreement. I'm just saying, the 250$ price-tag is a lie. After you 'pimp' your Wii, it will cost almost as much as the 'performance' systems...


 Hey Kwaad. Welcome back....again....and again your first post back is this same arguement.

I have played Brawl with wiimote+nunchuk, as the person's house I was at didn't even have a GC/Classic controllers, and it was just fine. In fact I have never played Brawl any other way.

I do like the wheel better than the other options, however, if you play online there is a very large segment of people who do not use the wheel.

Buying a Wii is no different in buying a PS360. If you want the 'full' experience for any system you will have a much larger price tag. In the end, the PS360 systems still cost a good chunk more.

However, your biggest flaw is that you are comparing the price of the systems and not their value. Just look on Ebay and notice that people on a much larger quantity are paying MORE for the Wii than the PS360's. That alone shows that in general the percieved value of the Wii is higher.

I really can't wait for the day when the 360 Premium is selling for about the same price as the Wii and the Wii is still outselling it x2. Same will eventually happen with the PS3 as well, it will just take longer for it to get to that price level. 



Gnizmo said:
Why in the world would I waste money on the piece of crap that is the Wii Wheel. I know of no one personally who actually likes to use that god awful contraption rather than using a GC controller. I have yet to try the Wiimote+Nunchuck combo, but it is bound to be better than the wheel. I tossed mine aside after the first GP and have never missed it. Even if I did, I can just turn a Wiimote sideways and get the exact same control scheme. It is just a circle of plastic.

 I love the wheel and so far everyone I know has like it better. In fact I am going to buy another one tonight/tomorrow. This way both players (I only have two Wii controllers) can use it.



Ya see guys...Kwaad saw a pot, so he stirred it =)
I actually think he is joking,
simply because he owns all the games he knocks (Supposedly)
So... dont think too much about it.

I always get a kick out of this
"I'm not saying the XXXXX Sucks, BUT..."


But while Im here. Think of this.

PS3 60GB retail day 1
599.99
3 extra six axis Controllers
49.99 ea. 150.00 approx.

BUT WAIT! Now we have DualSHOCK 3!!!!
49.99 ea. 150.00 approx.

Did we need to buy it???? Apparently according to this thread yes, in order to have the FULL Experience.

This argument can work so many ways, this is why its funny.
And I salute you for your bi-annual appearance.



Predictions For Last Full Week of Sales in 2010)

WII - 80.35 Million

360 - 43.88 Million

PS3 - 41.40 Million

More terrible predictions coming Jan. 2011!!!

This thread is so biased I'm not even going to post on it...

...oh wait!



Kwaad said:

 


SMASH = crappy game without classic.
SNES+ games = crappy without classic.
Wii-kart = Crappy without wheel.

So the best games on the Wii... suck... Becuase of a crappy controller design, so you have to pay more to enjoy the great games?

 


 Have you actually played any of these games? SSBB does fine with the wiimote and MKW actually comes with the wheel.