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ckmlb said:
Gballzack said:
Kojima says alot of things, he said alot of things about MGS2 and MGS3 that never came true either. to name a few he said MGS2 would be the last MGS game, he said MGS3 would be the last MGS Game, he also said that MGS4 would not come to the states. Its sort of sad supporters of PS3 exclusivity are forced to rely increasingly more on the comments of a man renowned as a braggard and industry drama queen.

do you shit on everything and everyone that doesn't have the big N stamped on it?


There is no need to use that type of language.



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didn't we just have this discussion?



Borkachev said:
My best guess as to what all this means is that a 360 port is planned, but Konami is under contract with Sony not to talk about it for a certain period of time (I'm guessing at least a few weeks after its PS3 release).

Obviously a port makes good business sense and it'll make a lot of gamers happy. Still, considering how important this game could be to the PS3's success, I sort of hope they're not porting it. I don't think a 2-console war is going to be good for anybody.

I largely agree with this analysis, but I do doubt that the loss of MGS4 as exclusive would realistically lead to this being a 2 console race. At worst, I expect the PS3 to resemble the Gamecube: marginalized compared to its largest competitor, but still profitable and still with a healthy portion of appealing, exclusive games (not the least of which are produced by Sony itself).



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Listen this isn't fanboyism, Hideo (A.K.A. Hid-Emo) Kojima is a jerk, he's a unique and impressive game developer and a phenomenal artist but he is a jerk. His story on Video Game ethics change with what ever the circumstances or platform his new game is coming out on. When MGS was remade by Silicon Knights for the GC as Twin Snakes Hideo praised the Gamecube and talked about how he wanted to make more Metal Gear Solid games for it but then went back to PS2 regardless with MGS3 and then PSP for the portable OPS. He just makes up crap as he goes. And to be honest Metal Gear Solid fans tire of his drama, tire of his antics, and tire of his constant threats to not make any more Metal Gear games, threats to not release the next Metal Gear game here or there. He's like a teenager on Live Journal.

Forgive us that we can't take a man with such a character's word at face value.

Furthermore, if Konami announced the MGS4 port anytime before the PS3 release, it would torpedo the PS3's sales.

Anyone else find it funny that Hideo had no problem putting MGS2 and MGS3 on the graphically inferior PS2 but now he's trying to act all high and mighty with the PS3 like it was always meant for HD. The truth of the matter is Konami tells him what to do, he does it and then makes up some B.S. after the fact to make it look like he's in control.



Gballzack said:

Listen this isn't fanboyism, Hideo (A.K.A. Hid-Emo) Kojima is a jerk, he's a unique and impressive game developer and a phenomenal artist but he is a jerk. His story on Video Game ethics change with what ever the circumstances or platform his new game is coming out on. When MGS was remade by Silicon Knights for the GC as Twin Snakes Hideo praised the Gamecube and talked about how he wanted to make more Metal Gear Solid games for it but then went back to PS2 regardless with MGS3 and then PSP for the portable OPS. He just makes up crap as he goes. And to be honest Metal Gear Solid fans tire of his drama, tire of his antics, and tire of his constant threats to not make any more Metal Gear games, threats to not release the next Metal Gear game here or there. He's like a teenager on Live Journal.

Forgive us that we can't take a man with such a character's word at face value.

Furthermore, if Konami announced the MGS4 port anytime before the PS3 release, it would torpedo the PS3's sales.

Anyone else find it funny that Hideo had no problem putting MGS2 and MGS3 on the graphically inferior PS2 but now he's trying to act all high and mighty with the PS3 like it was always meant for HD. The truth of the matter is Konami tells him what to do, he does it and then makes up some B.S. after the fact to make it look like he's in control.


What you describe as "being a jerk" another person could describe as "being kind to those who have given you patronage." He never went back and said the Gamecube sucks after he produced MGS3 for the PS2. He never said the PS2 sucks when he was making Twin Snakes. He pays homage to those who assist in the development of his games. 

It sounds to me as if you're simply jilted because he doesn't prefer (at least, he doesn't prefer RIGHT NOW) to make games for your system. Why is it that when people say "I'm not a fanboy, but..." they always go on to say something entirely fanboy-ish? It's very much how people will say "I'm not a racist, but..." and then proceed to say something completely racist. What's up with that?  



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Put whatever spin on it you like, the point was that Kojima is not a credible source and I have established that outside of any fanboy bias.



Gballzack said:
Put whatever spin on it you like, the point was that Kojima is not a credible source and I have established that outside of any fanboy bias.

 I can agree with that, to a degree. I'm not sure I'd call him incredible, but I would say that he's not the final word. If the publisher wants the developer to do something -- such as put their game on a console that makes the game more profitable -- the publisher wins, almost every time. If Konami's head of publishing said it wasn't going to 360, that would hold a good deal more weight, and thus far Konami is shuffling their feet and muttering under the breath.

On the flipside, again, Kojima isn't completely incredible. It's not like he's just some random guy giving his opinion of the Metal Gear franchise -- he's the lead developer. He may not have the final say on everything MGS, but he's still highly influential. 



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Bodhesatva said:
Borkachev said:
My best guess as to what all this means is that a 360 port is planned, but Konami is under contract with Sony not to talk about it for a certain period of time (I'm guessing at least a few weeks after its PS3 release).

Obviously a port makes good business sense and it'll make a lot of gamers happy. Still, considering how important this game could be to the PS3's success, I sort of hope they're not porting it. I don't think a 2-console war is going to be good for anybody.

I largely agree with this analysis, but I do doubt that the loss of MGS4 as exclusive would realistically lead to this being a 2 console race. At worst, I expect the PS3 to resemble the Gamecube: marginalized compared to its largest competitor, but still profitable and still with a healthy portion of appealing, exclusive games (not the least of which are produced by Sony itself).


I don't think a 6 month to 1 year delay port will kill the PS3.  I think this is a very likely scenerio, and as it was said further up on this post, by then it won't effect the PS3's sales.  I also agree with Bodhesatva to a degree.  The PS3 will survive, with gamecube level sales, but it's not going to have Gamecube level profit.  The Gamecube was actually a very profitable system.  In fact, with their losses already well over 2 billion I'm sure they will spend the whole generation in the red.  Still, they won't be knocked out of the market or anything, they just won't have a successful generation.  The PS3 and the Gamecube are very good comparisons.  The Gamecube, despite weak sales, had some of the best rated games of all time (Metroid Prime anyone?).  I mean, the PS3 isn't going to have the most software, or the most sales, but it will likely have some great games and be remembered well by those who owned it.  Sony will have to change their marketing and development strategy for the PS4, but I'm sure they are up to the challenge.



Gballzack said:

Listen this isn't fanboyism, Hideo (A.K.A. Hid-Emo) Kojima is a jerk, he's a unique and impressive game developer and a phenomenal artist but he is a jerk. His story on Video Game ethics change with what ever the circumstances or platform his new game is coming out on. When MGS was remade by Silicon Knights for the GC as Twin Snakes Hideo praised the Gamecube and talked about how he wanted to make more Metal Gear Solid games for it but then went back to PS2 regardless with MGS3 and then PSP for the portable OPS. He just makes up crap as he goes. And to be honest Metal Gear Solid fans tire of his drama, tire of his antics, and tire of his constant threats to not make any more Metal Gear games, threats to not release the next Metal Gear game here or there. He's like a teenager on Live Journal.

Forgive us that we can't take a man with such a character's word at face value.

Furthermore, if Konami announced the MGS4 port anytime before the PS3 release, it would torpedo the PS3's sales.

Anyone else find it funny that Hideo had no problem putting MGS2 and MGS3 on the graphically inferior PS2 but now he's trying to act all high and mighty with the PS3 like it was always meant for HD. The truth of the matter is Konami tells him what to do, he does it and then makes up some B.S. after the fact to make it look like he's in control.


Alritey.... We can all see the sore points now..... Your comments are always bias, especially since you only own and play Nintendo. Try to be more receptive of changes.

"When MGS was remade by Silicon Knights for the GC as Twin Snakes Hideo praised the Gamecube and talked about how he wanted to make more Metal Gear Solid games for it but then went back to PS2 regardless with MGS3 and then PSP for the portable OPS. He just makes up crap as he goes."



I would say there is a 100% chance the game will come to the 360 - but I expect it to be exclusive to the PS3 for at least 12 months. If it does really, REALLY well - a 360 version may be canned... but I doubt it.



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