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Name me three big budget third party games actually released on Wii. |
What does budget have to do with it? SE isn't known for low budget games yet "The World Ends With You" isn't selling that great considering it is on a handheld with a 70+ million userbase. RE4, Guitar Hero and soon to be Rock Band. Satisfied? RE4 sold decent due to a $29.99 price tag and Guitar Hero III due to the fact that it is a casual game. I would give more but this is not what this topic is about. |
Budget has everything to do with it. Where else are they going to get teh money to advertise the game? And SE is known for low budget game. Just look at their PSP library, all of those rehashes would have been bombs if they hadn't been low budget,outsourced rehashes. And The World En with You is selling faily well. I don't know about you but I don't consider 1 Million to be the single threshold of success for all games. Not every game has a budget where 1 million units sold would be the only way to make some kind of profit. Also, all of those games you listd are ports, and two of them will most likelyend up with 2+ million lifetime sales. YourGuitar Hero excuse...ugh. You have one for everything.  |
If you believe GH III is harcore then you are wrong. I am making no excuses. As I stated more than once already I have zero problems with aWii release of KH III, just I personally feel an exclusive Wii release would be the wrong choice. Since when has SE been known for low budget games either? Star Ocean, Final Fantasy, The World Ends With You, Dragon Quest, Mana Series, Front Mission, Radiata Stories, etc... are not exactly low budget. |
No this is the point we are making. You said 3rd partyhardcore games don't sell on the wii. We said that is because all of them are low budget. SO that means since there is no high budget games to compare we don't know how it would sell on the wii. |
I said before I think it is more to due with the fact that Nintendo does not market their 3rd party games as much as they should. Which is why I felt that games like Zack and Wiki, Trauma Center and No More Heroes hasn't sold as well as they should have. Has nothing to do with how large the budget is. MS doesn't make their 3rd party games (of course, duh) but they still try to advertise, which is why they sell so well. Do I think they could never sell, of course not, but with their history of 3rd party non casual sales I feel an exclusive release would be a bad move on SE's part, considering they know many PS3 fans as well are looking forward to this game. It just seems people believe I am completely against a Wii release period which I have stated from the start of this discussion I am not. |
Nintendo doesn't have to market other people's games at all, so saying they aren't marketing as much as they should doesn't make any sense when they're not obligated in the slightest. If the 3rd parties are incompetent at marketing their own products it's not something Nintendo should pay (literally) for. MS only advertise the games that directly benefit them and hurts Sony. Considering they have a lot more money to burn, it's not really a surprise. You continuously cite Zack & Wiki, No More Heroes, and Trauma Center, ignoring the fact that they are successful. Saying they didn't sell as much as you feel is, quite frankly, an asinine argument for multiple reasons. One, something so vague could be chalked up to 50 million sales for each game. Second, it's not about you but the games themselves, all of which were a success. Third, you can spin it however you like...something we're clearly seeing by you either ignoring these games success or simply being incapable of recgnizing reality. But it's nice to see the truth come out. KH3 on the Wii is a bad idea not because 3rd party games magically don't sell. It's because the PS3 fans wouldn't like it. |
There is where you look foolish. How many times in the beginning of this thread and now do I need to repeat that I have zero problems with a Wii release? I just do not agree on a Wii exclusive. From 1st page. I would be completely content if it became Wii/PS3. If it was Wii only and used Zelda like gameplay with the wiimote being used for sword swings I could see myself probably never finishing the game, which would be very upsetting for someone like me who has followed the series from the start. Kingdom Hearts isn't exactly what you would call a casual game either and we all know how 3rd party non casual games sell on the Wii. I also feel the PS3 makes sense considering Disney is a supporter of the Blu Ray format. Have I not stuck with this from the the beginning? Have I ever stated I thought it shouldn't be on the Wii at all? With the argument of not knowing how a big budget non casual game on the Wii would sell also adds to why it shouldn't be exclusive. |
Continually claiming that you have no problem with it coming to the Wii while viciously denying it using typical Wii detractor arguments sends two different messages. In other words you're not quite as content with it as you claim.  The worst part is that I could have plotted your arguments out with a graph before you even made them. Like I said, they're typical Wii detractor arguments. That should be a little worrying for you if you want to maintain your supposed unbias. You've basically jumped from predictable argument to predictable argument, even going to the "I just blame damn Nintendo!" argument with the advertising claim. It's absurd and yet I've heard it before: that Nintendo is at fault for not advertising other people's games. It's like Wii detractors have the same state of mind. I have yet to hear an original argument in this thread. And the 3rd party argument was grand. You do realize that by having to explain away every massive 3rd party seller, you are hurting your own argument and validating the argument that 3rd party games do sell on the Wii, right? If they didn't sell, you wouldn't have to scramble for an argument to wish them away. The fact that you feel the need to explain them shows just how opposed you are to it. You can't accept that they're a success, there has to be something wrong with them. "NO! It's too casual!" "NO! It's too cheap!" "NO! It doesn't fit MY judgement of success!" When will the excuses end? And what will you do if KH3 does go to the Wii? If would effectively destroy every piece of logic you've tried to propose in this thread, you would practically have to see the entire console wars in a new light. |
