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@ The source, do you really think small markets like India and Korea should put 360 an additonal 1.3 million ahead of PS3 ?

M$'s PAL region sold - to - consumers figure is in-line with VGChartz ...
However their NA figure is not ... they claim they have a 2x install base.

VGchartz has 360 @ 11.72 in NA and PS3 at 4.88 in NA.

Asumming 360 is correct M$ claims PS3 has sold approx 5.8 million in NA ...
Asumming PS3 correct M$ claims 360 has sold approx. 9.6 million NA ...

Obviously VGchartz is not 2.12 million off on 360 sales so its more likly that PS3's NA sales have been undertracked ... unless you think M$ is talking out of its ass ...



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Gnizmo said:

I am going to err on the side of trusting ioi because he will always come through in the end. It is entirely possible he is off, but by such a large amount seems extremely unlikely.


I trust ioi as well, but I think cooperate PR is less trustworthy then lawyers, and satan. If there was any chance MS could have said 6 million, they would have. All those caveats you mentioned, they would have taken into account to inflate the numbers.

If MS themselves say 5 million, something is not right on this site. I trust ioi will either explain why, or fix it.



Aprisaiden said:
@ The source, do you really think small markets like India and Korea should put 360 an additonal 1.3 million ahead of PS3 ?

M$'s PAL region sold - to - consumers figure is in-line with VGChartz ...
However their NA figure is not ... they claim they have a 2x install base.

VGchartz has 360 @ 11.72 in NA and PS3 at 4.88 in NA.

Asumming 360 is correct M$ claims PS3 has sold approx 5.8 million in NA ...
Asumming PS3 correct M$ claims 360 has sold approx. 9.6 million NA ...

Obviously VGchartz is not 2.12 million off on 360 sales so its more likly that PS3's NA sales have been undertracked ... unless you think M$ is talking out of its ass ...

He said more than double. That can easily be an issue of them looking for a nice easy number to say. They are not 2 and a half times which is awkward to say, and more than 2 times which leads to the statement.



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SpartanFX said:
TheSource said:

5 million is probably the sure figure from NPD, GFK, Chart Track, etc. Small markets like India and Korea and Hongkong probably push it further in Microsoft's favor, although Sony's latest shipment numbers will clear some things up as well.

 


just wondering,,why did he use the word globally then?

 

and you are right sony shipments will clear some thing up,,,

but our 360 shipment Vs sold to customer was way off

 

MS shipped 1,300,000 units(according to MS shipment figures)

VGC has it at 1,800,000 sold to customers for the same period.


 This has happened before when some companies will overship product the previous quarter and end up overfilling inventories.  They end up reducing shipments the next quarter while waiting for inventory to clear up.  I believe this happened with the PSP as well.



Gnizmo said:

Hrmm well that does make me look a little silly. I have the strangest recollections of it being closer to 10 by the time the PS3 and Wii released, but that is clearly off. Still, I stand by my comment since he resorted to very bad number rounding. I would back down entirely but the math geek in me is offended by his abuse of rounding.


He could have been using bankers rounding, where when it's .5, they randomly go up or down. (MS .net does this as well)

(he is a fanboy, but my inner math geek had to comment :p) 



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TheRealMafoo said:

 


I trust ioi as well, but I think cooperate PR is less trustworthy then lawyers, and satan. If there was any chance MS could have said 6 million, they would have. All those caveats you mentioned, they would have taken into account to inflate the numbers.

If MS themselves say 5 million, something is not right on this site. I trust ioi will either explain why, or fix it.


See I agree with all that, but I add in that they are dumber than bricks. I wouldn't doubt for a second that they just had incomplete numbers. As you say though, we will have to wait for ioi for the final say in all of this.



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Aprisaiden said:
@ The source, do you really think small markets like India and Korea should put 360 an additonal 1.3 million ahead of PS3 ?

M$'s PAL region sold - to - consumers figure is in-line with VGChartz ...
However their NA figure is not ... they claim they have a 2x install base.

VGchartz has 360 @ 11.72 in NA and PS3 at 4.88 in NA.

Asumming 360 is correct M$ claims PS3 has sold approx 5.8 million in NA ...
Asumming PS3 correct M$ claims 360 has sold approx. 9.6 million NA ...

Obviously VGchartz is not 2.12 million off on 360 sales so its more likly that PS3's NA sales have been undertracked ... unless you think M$ is talking out of its ass ...

exactly ,,the NA is the problem I think,,,PS3 is undertracked in NA I think



 

 

 

@ Gnizmo -- fair enough ...

But considering their data i still think PS3 is undertracked in NA slightly and undertracked in Europe ( thats Europe not PAL regions ... )



Ok, so he says they have a 1 million lead over the PS3 in Europe??



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Simple.He is wrong, and himself prove this.

 

NPD USA+Canada = X360 6,5-7 M

Famitsu/Media Create = PS3 1,5M

Others (his own numbers) = X360 1,0M

 

X360 ahead = 6-6,5M 



Predictions: 2008/2009

Wii 42-45 M / 71-75M

X360 24-26M / 38-40M
PS3 20-21 M / 30-34M