Those 2 really aren't a reason to score any current gen game higher than last gen. When developers have more horsepower to use it is hardly an accomplishment to improve graphics.

Just read PSrock's signature to get why it got all the tens.

 Yes they are, because SA suffered from these problems, and they have been fixed if you like, and the game does look stunning

If not for the horsepower, then the fact that they delayed the game just to get the game to look good. That and spending a record amount. 

 What, so you would expect them to release a half-finished game? They spent a record amount, and they have made the most critically aclaimed game ever, and it will be one of the best selling games ever

i definitely think the 10s were based off hype more than anything else. gta was the most popular franchise last gen so when a new one comes out that is at least better than the old ones 10s are thrown at it without even a second thought. now i haven't played the game, but there seems to be an awful lot of people (and not just casuals, but hardcore gamers like me) who think that the gameplay in gta games is just crappy. yeah the whole scope of the game and everything is amazing but when its only fun to play for a few hours before it gets extremely repetitive and boring it doesn't deserve high scores. maybe reviewers have gotten to the point where they don't even care if a game has not very good gameplay as long as there's violence and lots of action, i dunno. but from these scores thats what it seems like.

now my views on gta are based off the ps2 ones. the only way gtaIV could deserve 10's is if its completely different than the old ones. like they actual added some depth to the gameplay, but from what i've heard its just more of the same, maybe better, but still the same repetitive gameplay. i don't care how awe inspiring the game is, if it still has the crappy gameplay of the past versions then it doesn't deserve anything close to a 10. and for the people who bring up mario galaxy. that game doesn't deserve 10s either. it was great and did go improve the genre in many ways, but it still had flaws and was just not fun enough for a 10. i'd probably give it a 9 - 9.5. and since mario games always have amazing gameplay and if gta games have one thing where they are severaly lacking its the gameplay, i'd say this game deserves a much lower score than smg.

its just sad that this game may become the highest rated game ever and it (based off last gen's gta games) probably isn't even that great to play.

I didn't write that I would expect them to. The point was that the graphics still could have sucked if they didn't try hard enough, horsepower or not. 

it got a ten out of hype, like halo got high scores out of hype. if they were both new games, they would have got uncharted-like scores.

I too believe GTA 4 doesn't deserve the scores it gets.

First up, the euphoria (i think is the name) engine, while increasing the level of immersion the player has in the game (nearly everything you run into will have a reactionary effect) it certainly is far from perfect or even polished. There are some instances where it gets ridiculously unrealistic (i.e my sports car jack-knifing on a turn, seriously, I don't think anything aside from truck sized cars tip over on sharp turns these days, let alone a sports car).

Next, graphics. Yes it's a sand box game, and the characters do look impressive, but the city's beauty is so varied it's scary, areas that are open and have a large view are impressive, but some confined areas are downright ugly. For a game that expects it's players to roam the entire city, a set standard would have been nice.

3rd: Camera, whom ever said the camera is fine because it gives totally control has obviously not had much experience with action games. The camera is usually good but in certain instances (particularly indoors or while driving) the angle can be completely useless, but considering it's something that plagues most action adventure and sandbox games, I'll let it slide.

4th: Multiplayer. While teamdeath match is pretty cool and each mode has it's own little things that make them great, they just aren't balanced. Weapons are horribly balanced to the point where a person who pulls rocketlauncher is almost always a winner. I don't mind it that rifle > pistol but when an pistol can NEVER win against an assault rifle, that sucks.

Game modes, I've only 2 that I feel are utter trash, and they are the 2 that are unique to GTA. First one I can't remember the name of, but the head crime boss gives both teams the same mission objective and who ever completes it gets $ and most $ wins. This game seems like fun, been when you're thrown into the gigantic city, it can be a pain in the ass to respawn at the opposite end and making your way back into the action. It's not a big issue in the other game modes because when your objectives are to kill the other team you can do what ever you like, but when there's a certain point you have to get to, it's a pain in the ass. Next one is the cops vs crooks. Great concept and I hope future sandbox games and GTA's could use this. My only issue with this one, the world map is TOO FRIGGIN HUGE. It's great that they've made such an expansive world, but it makes this game mode broken. If you're the crime boss, get on a motor bike and you're basically home free. If they forced smaller maps for this mode it would have been awesome (because it'd force a confrontation between cops and crooks) but I've played twice as the boss and once as the cop and both times as the boss I made it the getaway vehicle with no detours and without contact with the opposition team. As the cop, even on the sports car I couldn't keep up with the tight cornering of the motorbike, also didn't help that I died once and respawned on the opposite side of the city.

It may sound like I hate the game, I definitely do not, I'm actually enjoying it alot. It's the first GTA game that I find myself actually liking. While it deserves alot of praise and the R* deserve many kudos for their achievement and it's definitely a great step forward for the franchise, but it is far from a 10/10 game.

Your avatar looks as though it's from Kingdom Hears Chain of Memories, which was on a Nintendo system, therefore you must be a Nintendo fanboy, and this whole post is invalid. You must not even have the game.