@kingofwale

Not when they steal from other countries, or kills lots of innocents in attacks against specific target/terrorists and nobody gives a damn about (attack terrorists all you want, but when you kill a lot of innocents every time you know you are doing a mess), or wage a full war like the Lebanon war which was ridiculous and is the reason i don't believe Israel wants peace.

@Griffin

Not a literal military base, but it's like a western domain in an all Arab territory.

Also, after that war on Lebanon, which was exaggerated and they didn't stopped until they felt like it.

Flow: Israel attacked Lebanon because, after years of rocket fire, someone actually crossed the border and attacked a military outfit. That's an act of war. Israel had every right to ensure that people within their borders are safe. Did they screw up the invasion? Yes. But the action in and of itself was justified.

But here's the thing that's interesting: when did the rockets start coming from Lebanon? About 2001, right? Around when the second Intifada started. I'm sure you know what happened in Lebanon in 2000, right? Israel unilaterally left all Lebanese territory, to the UN's complete satisfaction.

That tells me Israel *does* want peace.  And that someone else doesn't.

 Do you have any idea why the war started.  The conflict began when Hezbollah militants fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence. Of the seven Israeli soldiers in the two jeeps, two were wounded, three were killed, and two were captured and taken to Lebanon. Five more were killed in a failed Israeli rescue attempt. 

This foreign power launched an attack against Israel, she had every right to defend herself.  The war should of also continued, becasue the UN does nothing to protect her.

@fishamaphone

Thanks for clearing up the stealing thing for me, i didn't knew that.

I don't think the terrorists are right for attacking Israel, and yes Israel got the right to fight back but by killing all these civilians in doing this is what actually triggers the terrorist attacks. I think Israel don't care about this and is abusive because they know they can't be defeated, and if the world turn their heads into them they are still the poor guys who suffered the holocaust.

That war waged way longer than it should and at the cost of way more lives than it should. What i saw was they attacking and attacking with Lebanon and the world begging them to stop, i remember lots of Brazilians dying there since there are lots of us in Lebanon so it got a big coverage here. And i felt like they stopped the war for their own country not for the lives being wasted in Lebanon.

Not that hezbollah wasn't wrong, but in that war i felt like they were doing whatever they wanted and peace wasn't what they wanted.

why dont you get on your time machine, go back 5000 years, and discuss your thoughts with them.  ;)

as for the more current state of israel.  all land was legally purchased(although it was their land anyways historically speaking.  i guess it could be equated to land claims by natives).  the land that is now israel was a sparsely populated desert.  inhabited by jews, muslims, and christians.  without the creation of israel, there would not even have been a country of palestine.  which the arabs didnt even want.  when the UN set down lines for the countries of palestine and israel...the arabs said no.  took the land, expelled jews from their own countries and basically said "fuck off and die".(i bet they wish they could take that back)   the palestinians are really people from other arab countries that dont want them.  when israel was created most of the arab-muslims within the territory left all on their own, at the urging arab countries.  saying they could return after all the jews were killed.   friendly neighbours, eh?

They have a right to exist.  which hamas(and some other groups/countries) doesnt believe is right.  Hamas will only be happy when every non-arab israeli is dead.  Israel has every right to protect itself from terrorists... even when they hide behind civilians(mainly children).  Hamas teaches their children to hate.  They train them to die.  they are evil people.

On the contrary, Israel is in a constant defensive. The feeling is that if we don't prove to the world that we can defend ourselves, the world will forget, and try their luck. Eventually, after enough attempts, they'll succeed.

You have to realize that Israel's history is defined by war. It's not about the holocaust any longer. It's about the War of Independence. It's about the 6-day War. It's about the Yom Kippur War. It's about every time some Arab power decided that they could defeat Israel in the field of battle. Israelis will brag about the strength of our military, but that's a bluff, hiding the fact that, despite the fact that we *do* have a strong military, we've survived for 60 years on luck as much as anything else.

OK, it's almost 5:00 AM over here... I should probably go to sleep. Nice talking with you.

Israel cant not react in extremes. should israel ever be defeated it would mean annihilation. a massacre of life similar to that of the holocaust.
When your life, and the lives of all your people is on the line, you cant afford to be weak.

I'll be happy to join you in condemning anyone painting the situation as a case of one-way oppression or anything ridiculous like that, but considering the founding of Israel a bad idea is hardly an extremist viewpoint. 

What's done is done, and any lasting solution is going to have to accept the fact that the Jews are there to stay, but the last 60ish years give us plenty of examples about how not to be a good neighbour from both sides of the conflict.